The attachment should put things in perspective. It appeared in THE HINDU, hardly a Hindutva publication! Its sister publication FRONTLINE is where Witzel and Farmer started their propaganda campaign against me, Jha and Frawley.
Please note the difference in the language and tone in Witzel's article, compared to those by Rajaram and Nagaswamy. And he is the one complaining about libel!
The damage to Witzel was self-inflicted and goes back several years. The Harvard campus publication THE CRIMSON as well as President Summers's office have all the information-- including the circumstances under which he had to step down as chairman.
None of this has anything to do with the Conference. One thing is clear: Witzel, Farmer et. al. will never face a free and open debate. The issue is no longer the AIT or even California schools, but Witzel's past catching up with him. He is trying to bluff his way out of it.
Let us ignore them and go ahead with our program, California or no California. The subject is more important than a few disgruntled and disgraced individuals.
Holding up Hindutva is just a red herring to avoid debate.
N.S. Rajaram
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Controversy
HARAPPAN HORSE: POLEMICS AND PROPAGANDA
Editorial comment
As the Aryan invasion version of history has begun to crumble, there are parties in Indian and Western academic circles that have a special interest in preserving it. It is unnecessary to go into reasons behind this beyond noting that considerations of politics and careers have much to do with it. This is not unusual in any field: whenever there is a paradigm shift, as is now the case with the Vedic-Harappan convergence today, the old order suddenly finds the ground shifting under its feet. A debate, at times acrimonious is natural and inevitable in the circumstances. But what was unusual in this case was the tactics adopted by a few of the participants, notably Michael Witzel, the Prince of Wales Professor of Sanskrit at Harvard. He went beyond criticizing the work of N. Jha and N.S. Rajaram, to charging that they, in their book The Deciphered Indus Script had fabricated the image of a horse in order to show that the Harappan civilization was Vedic.
In all this, Witzel’s central claim was that the horse was unknown in ancient India prior to the coming of the Aryan invaders who brought it with them. Thus, the Harappans had no horses. Further, the spoke-wheel was also unknown to the Harappans. But Witzel went further: he insisted that any data that suggested otherwise must perforce be a fabrication. This was the charge he leveled against N. Jha and N.S. Rajaram in the summer of 2000 when the book The Deciphered Indus Script reached the United States. He chose to ignore however that comments on the ‘Harappan Horse’ was limited to two partial footnotes in their book, which was about the decipherment and in no way dependent on the Harappan horse. Jha and Rajaram chose to ignore these charges other than issuing a press release that refuted Witzel’s charge with the help of photographs. (Witzel was assisted in his work by one Steve Farmer with no credentials in the field other than making extravagant claims. He seems to have disappeared from the scene.)
The situation reached a climax when Rajaram, in an article that appeared in the national daily The Hindu (February 19, 2002) produced evidence from well-known sources showing that horse remains had been identified at Harappan sites going back several decades; he also highlighted other important evidence like the Vedic river Sarasvati that connect the Vedic and Harappan civilizations. This seemed to put Witzel in an awkward situation. First, it showed that his claim of “No Harappan horse,” had no basis in fact. More seriously, it cast a cloud on his tactics, suggesting that he was indulging in suppression of evidence while simultaneously launching a personal attack on those who disagreed with him. In all this the assumption seemed to be that his position as an academic at a well-known university combined with aggressive propaganda carried out at a high decibel level was enough to override facts and logic. This predicament that Witzel found himself in—the collapse of his scholarly reputation together with the exposure of his unsavory tactics—may explain the ferocious tone of his article given in this section. This was noted by the distinguished archaeologist R. Nagaswamy who went on to systematically refute Witzel’s claims and method—calling the latter an example of reductio ad absurdum.
While the Aryan invasion is dead, and the Vedic-Harappan connection all but a reality, the series of articles that appeared in The Hindu gives an idea of the ‘debate’ that is likely to be the last ditch effort to save the Aryan invasion. We begin with Rajaram’s article that set the cat among the pigeons, followed by Witzel’s response, culminating in Nagaswamy’s refutation of Witzel’s claims and methods.
THEORY AND EVIDENCE
A historical theory must account for all the evidence and not selectively accept and ignore data. Further, a man-made theory cannot substitute for primary data.
N.S. Rajaram
Albert Einstein once said: “A theory must not contradict empirical facts.” He was speaking in the context of science, especially how historians of science often lacked proper understanding of the scientific process. As he saw it the problem was: “Nearly all historians of science are philologists [linguists] and do not comprehend what physicists were aiming at, how they thought and wrestled with these problems.” When such is the situation in physics where problems are clear-cut, it is not surprising to see issues in a subject like history being much more contentious. This is particularly the case when trying to understand the records of people far removed from us in time like the creators of the Vedic and Harappan civilizations. As a result of some recent historical developments like European colonization and Western interest in Sanskrit language and linguistics, several myths and conjectures, through the force of repetition, have come to acquire the status of historical facts. It is time to re-evaluate these in the light of new evidence and more scientific approaches.
When we come to these myths, none is more persistent than the one about “No horse at Harappa.” This has now been supplemented by another claim that the spoke-wheel was unknown to the Harappans. The point of these claims is that without the horse and the spoke-wheel the Harappans were militarily vulnerable to the invading Aryan hordes who moved on speedy, horse-drawn chariots with spoke-wheels. This claim is not supported by facts: an examination of the evidence shows that both the spoke-wheel and the horse were widely used by the Harappans. (The idea seems to be borrowed from the destruction of Native American civilizations by the Spanish and Portuguese ‘Conquistadors’. The Conquistadors though never used chariots.)
As far as the spoke-wheel is concerned, B.B. Lal, former Director General of the Archaeological Survey of India records finding terracotta wheels at various Harappan sites. In his words: “The painted lines [spokes] converge at the central hub, and thus leave no doubt about their representing the spokes of the wheel. …another example is reproduced from Kalibangan, a well-known Harappan site in Rajasthan, in which too the painted lines converge at the hub. …two examples from Banawali [another Harappan site], in which the spokes are not painted but are shown in low relief.” (The Sarasvati Keeps Flowing, Aryan Books, Delhi, pages 72-3). It is also worth noting that the depiction of the spoke-wheel is quite common on Harappan seals.
Horse and Vedic symbolism
The horse and the cow are mentioned often in the Rigveda, though they commonly carry symbolic rather than physical meaning. There is widespread misconception that the absence of the horse at Harappan sites shows that horses were unknown in India until the invading Aryans brought them. Such ‘argument by absence’ is hazardous at best. To take an example, the bull is quite common on the seals, but the cow is never represented. We cannot from this conclude that the Harappans raised bulls but were ignorant of the cow. In any event, depictions of the horse are known at Harappan sites, though rare. It is possible that there was some kind of religious taboo that prevented the Harappans from using cows and horses in their art. More fundamentally, it is incorrect to say that horses were unknown to the Harappans. The recently released encyclopedia The Dawn of Indian Civilization, Volume 1, Part 1 observes (pages 344 – 5): “… the horse was widely domesticated and used in India during the third millennium BC over most of the area covered by the Indus-Sarasvati [or Harappan] Civilization. Archaeologically this is most significant since the evidence is widespread and not isolated.”
This is not the full story. Sir John Marshall, Director General of the Archaeological Survey when Harappa and Mohenjo-Daro were being excavated, recorded the presence of what he called the ‘Mohenjo-daro horse’. Giving salient measurements, comparing it to other known specimens, he wrote: “It will be seen that there is a considerable degree of similarity between these various examples, and it is probable the Anau horse, the Mohenjo-daro horse, and the example of Equus caballus of the Zoological Survey of India, are all of the type of the ‘Indian country bred’, a small breed of horse, the Anau horse being slightly smaller than the others.” (Mohenjo-Daro and the Indus Civilization, volume II, page 654.) It is important to recognize that this is much stronger evidence than mere artifacts, which are artists’ reproductions and not anatomical specimens that can be subjected to scientific examination.
Actually, the Harappans not only knew the horse, the whole issue of the ‘Harappan horse’ is irrelevant. In order to prove that the Vedas are of foreign origin, (and the horse came from Central Asia) one must produce positive evidence: it should be possible to show that the horse described in the Rigveda was brought from Central Asia. This is contradicted by the Rigveda itself. In verse I.162.18, the Rigveda describes the horse as having 34 ribs (17 pairs), while the Central Asian horse has 18 pairs (36) of ribs. We find a similar description in the Yajurveda also.
This means that the horse described in the Vedas is the native Indian breed (with 34 ribs) and not the Central Asian variety. Fossil remains of Equus Sivalensis (the ‘Siwalik horse’) show that the 34-ribbed horse has been known in India going back tens of thousands of years. This makes the whole argument based on “No horse at Harappa” irrelevant. The Vedic horse is a native Indian breed and not the Central Asian horse. As a result, far from supporting any Aryan invasion, the horse evidence furnishes one of its strongest refutations.
Man-made theories
All this suggests that man-made theories (like “No Harappan horse”) and those in linguistics cannot be used to override primary evidence like the Vedic Sarasvati (described below) and the dominant oceanic symbolism found in the Vedas. To see this we may note that South Indian languages like Kannada and Tamil have indigenous (desi) word for the horse—kudurai—suggesting that the horse has long been native to the region. The same is true of the tiger (puli and huli) and the elephant (aaney). Contrast this with the word for the lion—simha and singam—that are borrowed from Sanskrit, indicating that the lion was not native to the South. A man-made theory in linguistics, because it is not bound by laws of nature, can be made to cut both ways. It cannot take the place of evidence.
In any field it is important to take into account all the evidence, especially evidence of a fundamental nature. This can be illustrated with the help of what we now know about the Vedic river known as the Sarasvati. The Rigveda describes the Sarasvati as the greatest and the holiest of rivers— as ambitame, naditame, devitame (best of mothers, best of rivers, best goddess). Satellite photographs as well as field explorations by archaeologists, notably the great expedition led by the late V.S. Wakankar, have shown that a great river answering to the description of the Sarasvati in the Rigveda (flowing ‘from the mountains to the sea’) did indeed exist thousands of years ago. After many vicissitudes due to tectonic and other changes, it dried up completely by 1900 BC. This raises a fundamental question: how could the Aryans who are supposed to have arrived in India only in 1500 BC, and composed their Vedic hymns c. 1200 BC, have described and extolled a river that had disappeared five hundred years earlier? In addition, numerous Harappan sites have been found along the course of the now dry Sarasvati, which further strengthens the Vedic-Harappan connection. As a result, the Indus (or Harappan) civilization is more properly called the Indus-Sarasvati civilization.
The basic point of all this: we cannot construct a theory focusing on a few relatively minor details like the spoke-wheel while ignoring important, even monumental evidence like the Sarasvati River and the oceanic symbolism that dominates the Rigveda. (This shows that the Vedic people could not have come from a land-locked region like Afghanistan or Central Asia.) A historical theory, no less than a scientific theory, must take into account all available evidence. No less important, a man-made theory cannot take the place of primary evidence like the Sarasvati River or the oceanic descriptions in the Rigveda. This brings us back to Einstein— “A theory must not contradict empirical facts.” Nor can it ignore primary evidence.
[This article, which supplied evidence that demolished Witzel’s claims once and for all, drew the following response from Witzel. It is not hard to see that Witzel was concerned mainly with negating all evidence—from equine data to the Sarasvati River! He also failed to note that the possible presence of the ‘Siwalik horse’ for millions of years is further evidence against his thesis of the horse as a late arrival in India. Further, contrary to his claim, the 34 ribs of Indian, Southeast Asian and some Arab horses is a genetically inherited trait that cannot be wished away. Also, it is not just the Rigveda that mentions the 34-ribbed horse, but the Yajurveda as well. Editor]
HARAPPAN HORSE MYTHS AND THE SCIENCES
The horses found in the early excavations at Mohenjo-Daro and Harappa do not come from secure levels and such `horse' bones, in most cases, found their way into deposits through erosional cutting and refilling, disturbing the archaeological layers.
Michael Witzel
In the Open Page of February 19, N.S. Rajaram posits a truism "A theory must not contradict empirical facts," but he then does not deliver on the `empirical facts.' As a scientist, he must suffer to be corrected, bluntly this time, by a mere philologist and Indologist. Philology, incidentally, is not the same as linguistics, as he says, but the study of a civilisation based on its texts. In order to understand such texts, one must acquire the necessary knowledge in all relevant fields, from astronomy to zoology. It is precisely a proper background in zoology, particularly in palaeontology, that is badly lacking in Rajaram's, the scientist's, account. Instead, it is he, and not his favorite straw man, the Indologist, who has created some new "myths and conjectures ... through the force of repetition." Let us deconstruct them one by one.
Harappan horses?
To begin with, he claims that "both the spoke-wheel and the horse were widely used by the Harappans." He quotes S.P. Gupta, without naming him, from a recent book (The Dawn of Indian Civilisation, ed. by G.C. Pande, 1999). According to Gupta the horse (Equus caballus) "was widely domesticated and used in India during the third millennium BC over most of the area covered by the Indus-Sarasvati (or Harappan) Civilisation. Archaeologically this is most significant since the evidence is widespread and not isolated." Nothing in this assertion is correct, even if — or rather because — it comes from an archaeologist and inventive rewriter of history, S.P. Gupta. For example, the horses found in the early excavations at Mohenjo-Daro and Harappa do not come from secure levels and such `horse' bones, in most cases, found their way into deposits through erosional cutting and refilling, disturbing the archaeological layers.
Indeed, not one clear example of horse bones exists in the Indus excavations and elsewhere in North India before c. 1800 BCE (R. Meadow and A. Patel 1997, Meadow 1996: 405, 1998). Such `horse' skeletons have not been properly reported from distinct and secure archaeological layers, and worse, they have not been compared with relevant collections of ancient skeletons and modern horses (Meadow 1996: 392). Instead, well recorded and stratified finds of horse figures and later on, of horse bones (along with the imported camel and donkey), first occur in the Kachi plain on the border of Sindh/E. Baluchistan (c. 1800-1500 BCE), when the mature Indus Civilisation had already disintegrated.
Even more importantly, the only true native equid of South Asia is the untamable khur (Equus hemionus, onager/half-ass) that still tenuously survives in the Rann of Kutch. Both share a common ancestor which is now put at ca. 1.72 million years ago (while the first Equus specimen is attested already 3.7 mya.). The differences between a half-ass skeleton and that of a horse are so small that one needs a trained specialist plus the lucky find of the lower forelegs of a horse/onager to determine which is which, for "bones of a larger khur will overlap in size with those of a small horse, and bones of a small khur will overlap in size with those of a donkey." (Meadow 1996: 406).
To merely compare sizes, as Rajaram does following the dubious decades old Harappan data of Marshall, and then to connect the long gone "Equus Sivalensis" with the so-called "Anau horse", resulting in the "Indian country" type, is just another blunder, but Rajaram, the scientist, is not aware of it.
Proper judgment is not possible as long as none of the above precautions are taken, and when — as is often done — just incomplete skeletons or teeth are compared, all of which is done without the benefit of a suitable collection of standard sets of onager, donkey and horse skeletons. Rajaram and his fellow rewriters of history thus are free to turn any local half-ass into a Harappan horse, just as he has already done (see Frontline, Oct./Nov. 2000) with his half-bull.
Further, the archaeologists claiming to have found horses in Indus sites are not trained zoologists or palaeontologists. When I need to get my teeth fixed I do not go to a veterinarian or a beauty salon. Typically, S.P. Gupta (1999) does not add any new evidence, and just repeats palaeontologically unsubstantiated claims that are, to quote Rajaram, "myths and conjectures... through the force of repetition."
The Siwalik equid
In addition, Rajaram conjures up another phantom, the Siwalik horse: "fossil remains of Equus Sivalensis (the `Siwalik horse') show that the 34-ribbed horse has been known in India going back tens of thousands of years." Standard palaeontology handbooks (B.J. MacFadden, Fossil Horses, 1992) would have told him that the Siwalik horse, first found in the northern hills of Pakistan, is not just "going back tens of thousands of years" but is in fact 2.6 million years old. However, it has long died out during the last Ice Age, as part of the late Pleistocene megafaunal extinction of about 10,000 years ago (i.e. at the end of the Late Upper Pleistocene, 75-10,000 y.a.: it is reportedly found in middle to late Pleistocene locations in the Siwaliks and in Tamil Nadu, and recently, as a "Great Indian horse" in Andhra, 75,000 y.a.). But there is, to my knowledge, no account of a Siwalik horse that even remotely approaches the date of the Indus Civilisation — nor does Rajaram quote any authority to this effect.
Nevertheless, in order to bolster his claim for the antiquity of the "Vedic horse (as) a native Indian breed", he connects this dead horse with the Rigvedic one, which is described as having 34 ribs (Rigveda 1.162.18). But, while horses (Equus caballus) generally have 18 ribs on each side, this can individually vary with 17 on just one or on both sides. This is not a genetically inherited trait. Such is also the case with the equally variable (5 instead of 6) lumbar vertebrae, as found in some early domestic horses in Egypt (2nd. mill. BCE) and in the closely related modern Central Asian Przewalski horse (which shares the same ancestor, 620-320,000 years ago, with the domestic horse/Equus ferus).
As for the number 34, numeral symbolism may play a role in this Rigveda passage dealing with a horse sacrificed for the gods. The number of gods in the Rigveda is 33 or 33+1, which obviously corresponds to the 34 ribs of the horse, that in turn is speculatively brought into connection with all the gods, many of whom are mentioned by name (Rigveda 1.162-3). But this is mere philology, not worthy of "scientific" study...
In sum, even S. Bokonyi, the palaeontologist who sought to identify a horse skeleton at the Surkotada site of the Indus Civilisation, stated that "horses reached the Indian subcontinent in an already domesticated form coming from the Inner Asiatic horse domestication centers" — just as they were imported into the ancient Near East about 2000 BCE. Any zoological handbook would have told the scientist Rajaram the same (MacFadden 1992).
In addition, the identification the Surkotada equid as horse by S. Bokonyi is disputed by R. Meadow and A. Patel (1997). Even if this were indeed the only archaeologically and palaeontologically secure Indus horse available so far, it would not turn the Indus Civilisation into one teeming with horses (as the Rigveda indeed is, a few hundred years later). A tiger skeleton in the Roman Colosseum does not make this Asian predator a natural inhabitant of Italy. In short, to state that the "Vedic horse is a native Indian breed and not the Central Asian horse" is just another fantasy of the current rewriters of Indian history.
Nevertheless, Rajaram even repeats some of his own "myths and conjectures, (which) through the force of repetition, have come to acquire the status of historical facts," namely the old canard that "depictions of the horse are known at Harappan sites, though rare" — a case of fraud and fantasy that has been exploded more than a year ago in Frontline (Oct./Nov. 2000). Apparently, he thinks, along with other politicians, that repeating an untruth long enough will turn it into a fact.
Spoke-wheeled chariots
Rajaram, in dire need of `Rigvedic' horse-drawn chariots for the Harappan period, then introduces spoked wheels into the Indus Civilisation: "terracotta wheels at various Harappan sites. ... The painted lines (spokes) converge at the central hub, and thus leave no doubt about their representing the spokes of the wheel."
The handful existing specimens of such terracotta disks may indeed look, even to a trained archaeologist, like a spoked wheel — especially when he wants to find Aryan chariots, just like Aryan fire altars, all over the Indus area. But, they may just as well have been simple spindle whorls, used in spinning very real yarn, not wild Aryan tales. Further, "spoked wheel patterns" occur in cultures that never had the wheel, such as pre-Columbian North American civilisations. In other words, all of this proves nothing as long as we do not find a pair of these "spoked wheels" in situ, along with a Harappan toy cart. Normally, the wheels of such toy carts are of the heavy, full wheel type (that is made of three interlocked wood blocks).
Rajaram then asserts, for good measure, that the "depiction of the spoke-wheel is quite common on Harappan seals." This refers to the wheel-like signs in Harappan script. Unfortunately, these "wheels" can easily be explained as unrelated artistic designs (like in the N. American case). Worse, they mostly are oblong ovals, not circles. A Harappan businessman using a cart with such wheels would have gotten seasick pretty soon. They are unfit for travel — and for the discerning reader's consumption.
Instead, the rich Rigvedic materials dealing with the horse-drawn chariot and chariot races do not fit at all with Indus dates (2600-1900 BCE) and rather put this text and its chariots well after c. 2000 BCE, the archaeologically accepted timeframe of the invention of the spoke-wheeled chariot in the northern steppes and in the Near East. Again, Rajaram's fantasised "Late Vedic" Indus people have scored a "first": they invented the chariot long before archaeologists can find it anywhere on the planet!
"Aryan" chariots
There is no need to go deeply into his building up the straw man of Aryan invasions (i.e. immigration of speakers of Indo-Aryan), involving a need to "prove that the Vedas are of foreign origin." No one today maintains such a theory anyhow. Instead, the Rigveda is a text of the Greater Punjab, indicating a lot of local acculturation but using a language and poetics that go back to the earlier Indo-Iranian period in Central Asia (c. 2000 BCE).
Equally misleading is his caricature: "without the horse and the spoke-wheel the Harappans were militarily vulnerable to the invading Aryan hordes who moved on speedy, horse-drawn chariots with spoke-wheels." As has been mentioned here a few weeks ago, nobody today claims that the Indo-Aryan speakers arrived on the scene when the mature Indus Civilisation still was flourishing and destroyed it, it in whatever fashion. Instead, there is a gap of some centuries between the two cultures, as the descriptions of ruins and simple mud wall/palisade forts (pur) in the Rigveda indicate. Vedic texts tell us that the pastoralist Indo-Aryan nobility fought from chariots, and the commoners on horseback and on foot, with the local people (dasyu) of the small, post-Harappan settlements who, like the Kikata, are said not even to understand "the use of cows." Next to warfare there also was peaceful acculturation of the various peoples in the Greater Punjab, as is shown by the Rigveda itself.
As for a chariot use, a brief study of ancient Near Eastern warfare would have done the `historian' Rajaram some good. It is clear to even a superficial reader that after c. 1600 BCE the Hyksos, Hittites, etc., used such chariots, not just for show and sport but also in battle, such as in the famous battle of Kadesh between the Hittites and Egyptians in 1300 BCE. Chariots were in fact used as late as in Alexander's battle with Poros (Paurava) in the Punjab, or by the contemporary Magadha army with its 3,000 elephants and 2,000 chariots. Why then all this diatribe about the "Aryan" use of chariots in favorable, flat terrain? (Not, of course, while "thundering down the Khyber Pass"!)
Foray into linguistics
Mercifully, Rajaram has spared us, this time, his usual assaults on the "pseudo-science" of linguistics, and instead tries his own hand at it, and teaches us some Dravidian: kudirai `horse,' which should prove that the horse has been native to South India forever. However, his foray into linguistics is incomplete and misleading.
First, Tamil kutirai, Kannada kudire, Telugu kudira, etc. have been compared by linguists, decades ago, with ancient Near Eastern words: Elamite kutira `bearer', kuti `to bear.' The Drav. words Brahui (h)ullii `horse' and Tam. ivuLi are derived from `half-ass, hemion' (T. Burrow in 1972). Both words, far from being `native South Indian', thus were coming in from the northwest.
Second, other Indian language families have such `foreign' words as seen in Munda (Koraput) kurtag, (Korku) gurgi, kurki, (Sabara/Sora) kurtaa, (Gadaba) krutaa, which are all derived from Tibeto-Burmese, for example Tsangla (Bhutan) kurtaa, Tib. rta. We know that Himalayan ponies have always been brought southwards by salt traders and with them, of course, their names. There also is the independent and isolated Burushaski (in N. Pakistan) with ha-ghur, cf. Drav. gur- in Telugu guRRamu, Gondi gurram, etc., and the Austro-Asiatic Khasi (in Shillong) kulai, Amwi kurwa', etc., — all of which again point to a northern origin. (For details see: EJVS 5-1, Aug. 1999, http://users.primushost.com/india/ejvs, or: International Journal of Dravidian Linguistics, 2001).
Far from magically proving, with one Dravidian word, that the "native Indian horse" has been found in the South since times immemorial, the "man made theory" of linguistics --just as the hard facts of palaeontological science — rather indicate that the words for `horse' were imported, along with the animal, from the (north)western (Iranian) and northern (Tibetan) areas. Genetics now add another facet. The domesticated horse seems to have several (steppe) maternal DNA lines (Science 291, 2001, 474-477; Science 291, 2001, 412; cf. Conservation Genetics 1, 2000, 341-355), which fits in very well with the several northern Eurasian words for it mentioned above. The Eastern Central Asian words must be added; they all probably derive from Proto-Altaic *mori (as in Mongolian morin, Chinese ma, Japanese uma, and as surprisingly also found in Irish marc, English mare).
The Harappan Sarasvati
The case of the Vedic Sarasvati river (the modern Sarsuti-Ghagghar-Hakra) is complex and cannot be dealt with in detail (see, rather, EJVS 7-3, section 25). It must be pointed out, however, that the Rigvedic Sarasvati is a river on earth, a `river' in the sky (Milky Way), and a goddess, and as such Sarasvati is described in superlative terms, once as flowing `from the mountains to the sea' (samudra). However, this word has several meanings that must be kept apart: `confluence, lake, mythical ocean surrounding the earth'; the sky, too, is called a `pond'! To commingle all of this as samudra `Indian Ocean' is bad philology.
In addition, far from emptying into the Rann of Kutch then, the Harappan Sarasvati (`having lakes'), disappears as Hakra in the dunes around and beyond Ft. Derawar in Bahawalpur, after showing signs of a delta (playa) and of terminal lakes, just like its Iranian namesake in the Afghani desert, the Haraxvaiti (Helmand) with its Hamun lakes.
Further, simple satellite photographs also do not show when a river dried up, as the Ghagghar-Hakra has indeed done several times in its different sections in recent millennia. This was shown in detail for the Indus and Vedic periods by the former director of Pakistani archaeology, Rafique Mughal, in his book Ancient Cholistan (1997). Rajaram again is simply wrong as a scientist in asserting that the river conveniently "dried up completely by 1900 BC." Reality is much more complex.
Actually, much of this has been known since Oldham and Raverty (1886, 1892). (Thus, I myself have printed a Sarasvati map, based on a lecture of 1983, before the overquoted satellite photos of Yash Pal et al. were published in 1984). However, we need many more close observations such as Mughal's, with archaeologically vouched dates for the individual settlements along the various sections and several courses of the river.
Finally, the "oceanic descriptions" of the Rigveda imagined by Rajaram and many other rewriters of history (such as S.P. Gupta, Bh. Singh, D. Frawley) are based, again, on bad philology: their "data" are taken from Vedic mythology, floating in the night time sky, and the like! Or was Bhujyu abducted on another first, a Vedic airship?
[Witzel’s article drew the following response from Nagaswamy, former Director of Archaeology in Tamil Nadu. It appeared in The Hindu, March 12, 2002. Particular attention is to be paid to the section ‘Problems are Complex’ where Mr. Nagaswamy dissects Witzel’s methodology of trying to negate evidence, and shifting arguments. Editor]
HARAPPAN HORSE
There is an urgent need to jettison from our textbooks the unproved statements on Indian civilisation and consign them to academic polemics, and keep the power mongering self-seeking Taliban politicians out of educational field.
R. Nagaswamy
THE READERS have been following closely the debate on Harappan civilisation, published in The Hindu in its Open Page. The latest article by Michael Witzel (March 5) seems to be taking a partisan view. Archaeologists have found certain artefacts and scholars are trying to infer the meaning of the findings and in the process express divergent views. Such debates are welcome to advance our knowledge academically, no matter where it comes from. Unfortunately, Witzel's present article reads personal rather than an academic presentation. For example, he ridicules the other writer N.S. Rajaram personally by repeating his name time and again, with personal digs in every mention. Witzel is not free from the same fault that he attributes to Rajaram, as in the example of horse in Harappan sites. He states the horse bones found in the early excavations at Mohenjodaro and Harappa do not come from secure levels, and such horse bones "found their way into deposits through erosion cutting and refilling, disturbing the archaeological layers." Neither does he say how he arrived at this conclusion nor has he cited any report in support of his view.
Whatever the case may be, it only shows that horse bones were actually found in the excavations at Harappan sites. In order to justify his stand he writes that Marshal's Harappan data are "dubious and decades old." One cannot throw away the data presented by Marshal as it is the earliest available archaeological report and it is not possible at this point of time to say suddenly that Marshal has not reported that layers that were eroded and disturbed in places where horse bones have been found. One may ask Witzel to state on what basis he says that the layers that yielded horse bones in more than one site as at Mohenjodaro and Harappa were eroded and disturbed and the bones got mixed up? Does he want us to believe that in both the sites, the same layers yielding horse bones got mixed up in eroded layers? There are three major excavations conducted at Mohenjodaro and Harappa namely by Marshal, Mackey and Mortimer Wheeler.
Reports of excavations
George F Dales, who was the last in the series to investigate the sites, published his findings "Some unpublished, forgotten or misinterpreted features on Mohenjodaro" in the book Harappan Civilisation, published by the American Institute of Indian Studies, 1982. He has stated that the reports of all the three great excavations including that of Wheeler are "incomplete and suffer from serious losses." Dales states that there is "no end to speculation that these claims have aroused but it is impossible to reach objective conclusions with the published details." It is not at all possible to assess that the layers were disturbed unless other factual evidences are shown to approve the disturbed conditions.
Michael Witzel also states that conclusions cannot be arrived at with incomplete bones. Yes. However there cannot be two sets of standards in dealing with the matter. For example, he questions the views of Rajaram, but does not show whether R. Meadow, whose conclusions he supports, based his views on "a full skeleton or full sets of onager, donkey, or horse skeletons." Further it is known that there are very rare examples where the full skeletons of animals have been found in excavations. Are we not aware that most of the reconstructions of dinosaurs are based not on full skeletons? Archaeologists reconstruct several cultures with broken pottery. At one place he admits that clear examples of horse bones are found in Harappan civilisation after 1800 BCE, which still falls in the late Harappan period. Witzel has a dig at archaeologists that they are not zoologists or palaeontologists to comment on animal bones. This would apply equally to Witzel who is not a trained archaeologist to comment on this science. No archaeologist is expert in all fields but certainly consults experts before expressing his comments on which he has no expertise.
Problems are complex
To sum up Witzel's arguments proceed on the following lines: (1) No horse bone has been found in Harappan sites. (2) When pointed out that they are found in some instances, it is said they are only fragments and not full skeletons. (3) When pointed out they were found in more than one site it is said the layers in which they were found ought to have been eroded ones or disturbed. (4) When pointed out that the reports of horse bones were not by present day archaeologists but by the early pioneers it is said that those are dubious and decades old. (5) When pointed out they were reported by archaeological excavators then comes the argument that archaeologists are not trained zoologists and palaeontologists to comment on horse bones (though by the same argument no credence can be placed on Witzel's opinion as he is neither an archaeologist nor a palaeontologist). Such arguments are brought under reductio ad absurdum by logicians. More examples of willful rejections of points can be cited throughout the article but suffice to say that for an unbiased reader, the whole article reads purely a personal attack on an individual writer and exhibits certain amount of impatience to listen to other view. This does not mean that I agree with either of the views on the Aryan problem except stating that we are yet not in a position to go with either of the views for lack of evidence and would prefer to wait for further discoveries.
The debate has undoubtedly focused on one aspect of Harappan civilisation: the problems are complex and the data available are inadequate to come to any conclusion. The vital question that is not in the debate by the general reader is that in the past 50 years of India's independence, the unproved inferential views of these scholars, some of which have been proved totally wrong as in the case of "the total massacre of the Harappans by the invading barbaric Aryans", are fully incorporated in our school textbooks, right from the third or fourth standards. Wheeler dramatised this theory vehemently that invading Aryans destroyed the Harappan civilisation and within ten years he was proved totally wrong by new finds of several Harappan sites spread in space and time. And yet millions of children of India have been indoctrinated and brainwashed with these views for the past five decades, and that has caused immense damage to scientific knowledge. Is there any one party in India today which will repent for this incalculable damage? Are we justified in continuing to brainwash our generations of children? Is it not time that we remove these from school books and confine such debates to post-graduate community of the country and our children are told only the factual history. A perusal of the books would show enormous imbalances in representing regional and dynastic histories. It may be seen, for example, that South Indian history receives inadequate representation. The rule of the Pallavas, Cholas or Chalukyas that lasted for over four hundred years each and had glorious achievements in all fields gets summary representation, when compared with Mughal rule and the Colonial rule that did not last even half that period. South India has witnessed exemplary democratic institutions at the village level for several centuries in the medieval period that is yet to be brought to the notice of the children. Surely there is no proportionate representation.
While the Western history gets exalted position in all fields, the history of South East Asia like Indonesia, Thailand, Cambodia, Laos, Vietnam and even China does not even get a cursory mention. There is clearly an urgent need to jettison from the books the unproved statements on Indian civilisation and consign them to academic polemics, keep the power-mongering self-seeking Taliban politicians out of educational field, and seek a proportionate place for Indian civilisation in our textbooks. In fact Witzel has agreed to the need to revise Indian history in his earlier article, which should be entrusted to a body of unbiased and balanced academic body free from racial, religious or political bias.
[What Witzel has to do with this is unclear. His record so far does not inspire confidence in his unbaisedness. His scholarly contribution is also negligible— he is known more for his personal attacks on Indian scholars, especially Rajaram than any substantial contribution. Also, are there not enough Indian scholars capable of writing Indian history? Is it necessary to go to someone who struggling to save what is left of his reputation, both as a scholar and as a human being? Editor]
December 28, 2005
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None of the Indian revisionists can prove that horses were part of the Indus civilization. Why? Because of the following:
1) The claim by revisionists that the Indus is Aryan is untrue.
2) Horse remains and sites found in the cities of the Indus are the remains of asses, donkeys and onagers.
3) There is no attestation of horse trade between the Indus and the Mesopotamian civilization of Sumer, Assyria and Babylon.
4) There are no documentation form these cities that list that horses came from the Harappan cities.
5) The Indus ALONE could not have possess this animal at this period in time 3500BC-2700 BC when there are no archaeological evidence to prove that the other civilizations had the horse. Its impossible.
6) This was the Stone Age period and early Bronze Age when heavy wooden wheeled carts were drawn by asses and oxen.
7) The Vedas described in detail the different breeds of horses the Aryans were familiar with such as Stallions, Bays , Mares and Steeds etc. The Indus people knew nothing about breeds of horses.or of horse culture.
8) Whatever type of horses the Aryans rode or breeded makes no difference but it is a solid piece of evidence that HORSE APPEARED IN INDIA WITH THE ARYANS. That is a fact. The Indus has nothing to show for this.
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The idea that the Aryans are an indigenous lot is absurd as the theory that the Indus is Aryan. It is all plain for everyone to see despite the hundreds of books , articles and internet reports, that the Aryans are an intrusive people into India.
For sometime now I have been reading several articles of the case for and against AIT/AMT versus OIT. Although the Indian historians and certain archaeologists have more or less proven that there was no invasion per se of India, by Indo-Aryans , the fact still remain that India was and still is occupied by the descendants of the Vedic Aryans whose culture and history make up what is India today and including those from the Indus civilization. A detailed reading and study of the various opinions by those historians and archaeologists on this website, especially from India still maintain and doubt that the horse and chariot came from outside the country and who insist that horses and chariots are indigenous to the land. I have perceived that there are three major points which mostly the Indian historians are stubbornly refusing to concede and that is :
(A) They continue to hang on to the dead theory that the Indus
civilization is Aryan and indigenous.
(B) Despite the mountain of official documented and textual
evidence from various sources eg: Andronovan proven Indo-
Iranian sites, evidence from the Vedas itself, lack of evidence of
horses and chariots in ancient India before the advent of the
Aryans etc, Indian officials and historians still attempt to castigate
the authors and doubt the veracity of the documented and
archaeological evidence.
(C) The clear absence of archaeological and attestation of horse trade
between the Indus Civilization and its neighbors in the time period
of supposed finds of horse remains.
We begin from the beginning by placing the Aryans outside of India rather than being an indigenous people living thousands of years in India as so many Indian scholars believe. It is a fact that the Avesta places a home for the Aryans who sojourned outside India, which they called Airyana Vaejah or Aryan Homeland. The Aryans came through the Northwest of what is now today the state of Pakistan. That old natural pass called the Khyber. This same pass was used by different conquerors to conquer India in later times. This is a northwest route , not an east or west or south route and you can see from the geographical map where the Aryans forded and settled for a time calling it the Saptasindhu of which Five Rivers of the area were Shutudri called the Sutlej, the Vipasha or Vipash now called the Beas, the Parushini now called the Ravi, the Vitasta now called the Jhelum. Two main rivers were added called the Indus or Sindhu and the Sarasvati making it the Seven Rivers. The following points shows why the Aryans are intruders to India.
a) Despite, the writings and articles of Indian historians, archaeologists and Internet writers, these are the only rivers other than the Ganga and Yamuna mentioned in the Vedas. If the Aryans were indigenous people, why didn't they mention the Kaveri, the Krishna, the Bhima, the Godavari, the Narmada, the Chambal and the others?
b) Why didn't they mention all the other civilizations such as the Indus, and those of Southern India etc?
c) Some may have noticed that the Vedas descriptions of their life and society only is confined to the northwest of India. There is no mention of areas of Bengal, Tamil Nadu or Maharastra and other areas.
d) Do the historical departments of India and other such cultural organizations have the names of the original rivers , because these are mostly Rigvedic names. If the Harappans occupied the Indus civilizations for so long, surely they must have names for these rivers.
This is the only way the Aryans could have come into India and that is through the Khyber Pass between the borders of Afghanistan and Pakistan. If you look closely at the geographical map of the region, the SaptaSindhu area with all the headwaters of the seven rivers draining from the Siwalk and Himalayan mountains , and here is where the Aryans first come into India and Afghanistan with the rivers Kubha, Gomati and Krumu. It formed part of the culture of the Swat region with the rivers Suvastu, Gauri, Kusava and Trstama. The Swat culture is the first settlement or region occupied by the Aryans. If anyone whether it be Talageri or other revisionists who believe that the Aryans migrated out of India or that they were indigenous, is without archaeological foundation. Unlike the AIT theory which has some trace of Aryan intrusion into India, the OIT theory has not a single iota or fragment or sliver of any archaeological attestation of such a venture. In his book, ( The Rigveda, A Historical Analysis. Page 83 Internet Publication) Talageri writes :
that the evidence of the hymns of the Early Period of the Rigveda, as we have already
seen locates the Indo-Iranians further east: i.e in the area from (and including) Uttar Pradesh in the east to (and including) the Punjab in the west. It is not , therefore, Central Asia, but India, which is the original area from which the Iranians migrated to their later historical habitats.
The only thing wrong with the Talageri proposal is that the Iranians and Indo-Aryans had already separated from each other. The Indo-Aryans came into the Swat area thence to the Indus civilization. Most probably it was in Afghanistan that the Iranians branched off from the Indo-Aryans as the Aryans came into the Swat area. There they established their culture, bringing the first horse to India. Make no mistake the Iranians knew about the Seven Rivers area since they mentioned it in their Avesta book. Talager's book as well as others are now outdated with the new discoveries on the Russian steppes of Central Asia. The archaeological sites of horses, chariots over a vast area are what now archaeologists and historians are now confirming are Indo-Iranians origins and recently the startling discovery on one of these sites of a human figure with a horse's head as exactly written in the RV reveals one important thing. That it was an incident that occured during the former life and travels of the Aryans on their way to India. Treated as a myth and dismissed by some as such, it revealed the former home and culture of the Aryans and legend had become fact.
The article written by Brigadier Kaul Rattan Online called (Aryan Sarasvat Brahmin of Kashmir) states the following on the location of the early Aryans in India as they intruded into the subcontinent. He states:
Bharatvarsha was the ancient name for the geographical area South of the Indus
(Sindhu) extending from the Northern to Central Bharatvarsha (Hindustan) including.
geographical limits of Kashmir, East to the Western Sea and bounded on the North
and South by the Himalaya/ Hindukush/ Sindhu and Vindhya mountains
respectively.
Perhaps Talageri would like to explain what the Iranians were doing in India since they were supposed to be on their way to Persia to colonize that country. The earliest hymns reveal that the Aryans were traversing the foothills of the Siwalk and the headwaters of the Seven Rivers. That comes from Book 2 the oldest of the Aryan hymns. It is logical that the oldest hymns which contain the earliest travels of the Aryans is factual and uncontested and that early journey ended in the Swat culture in northwest India. From here at Pirak, was discovered the remains of the first horse and cremation, a custom and innovation never before experienced in India. It is baffling that Indian historians and writers continue to argue for an Aryan Indus when the evidence reveals that the Indus people practiced an Afro-Austric custom of inhumation whilst the new intrusion of a new people reveals the IE rite of cremation.
The Cemetery H Culture. This culture is the next stage of the continuation occupation of India from which the culture takes its name, area H at Harappa.This culture developed out of the northern part of the Punjab Seven Rivers system and occurs around the last stage of the Late Harappan civilization. or Localisation Era. The revisionists familiar writings of a continuity of civilization and ethnic biological theory is that the Aryans mixed and assimilated with the inhabitants which is expected and thus the skeletons discovered does not necessarily mean that the inhabitants are foreigners. The distinguishing features of this civilization are:
1) The use of cremation of human remains.
2) Expansion of settlements into the east.
3) Rice became the staple diet.
4) Urn burials which indicated the presence of a new people.
Here in this northwestern area of the Saptasindhu of India, the new intrusive people called the Aryans founded two cultures the Swat and Cemetery H still hugging the vast riverine system dominated by the Indus and Sarasvati, rivers which they worshipped in the Vedas. The Aryans spent a short sojourn in Afghanistan where they began to compose the Vedas and this is evidenced by the mention of the Kubha and Krumu rivers in the Vedas. Some historians say that there is no archaeological evidence that the Aryans but these rivers do flow into the Indus and left the name of Aryana, the Vedic name they gave to Afghanistan. Some sources believe that Harappan archaeology and Vedic are the same maybe so because the Aryans dominated and ruled the day. There is no such thing as Vedic Harappans. Why? The Harappans are a different people as well as their civilization for theirs are Dravidian in origin and did not practice the cultural rites and customs until it was imposed on them. Harappa was an Indus city built by an indigenous people of India. Historians cannot prove that the city of Harappa owned horses and chariots before the advent of the Aryans. How more foreign can one get?
Looking at the map of the SaptaSindhu with its riverine system I sometimes wonder why the Aryans chose that area to make their first settlements. Of all the places in India why did the Aryans chose to come here? Why this particular northwestern area? What routes did they follow? Why not any other area of India, say in Bengal or south in Tamil Nadu? Perhaps there are some solid reasons why they did choose this northwestern part of India due to easy access and that one easy access was the Khyber Pass which is the only available pass in the area. The Khyber Pass opens up to the vast plains of the Pontic region which in turn leads to the steppes of the huge Russian grasslands. A glance at the map shows that it is the only logical route from the Sintashta/ Androvono burial sites. How did they hear of the SaptaSindhu with its fertile alluvial valleys and plains? Perhaps by accident they did happen onto the subcontinent or it is possible that these northern tribes heard of the rich empires of the south and came for its booty. Indeed , they came as freebooters. The south with its prosperous empires were attractive targets for these nomads. If the Aryans are an indigenous people , why did they just develop in the northwestern corner of India alone and not in other parts of India? Why are the other tribal peoples of India silent in their chronicles of their presence in their midst? All these considerations only point to their foreign nature and customs which is quite different from those indigenous tribes already living in India. The Aryans most likely came from the Mittani territories which is the general opinion of experts who reject the possibility that they came from the Indian subcontinent. Their association with the horse, fire cult and worship, cremation and the worship and resemblances of gods similar to IE and Greek gods points to an outside migration and not an indigenous one.
Time and again the readers and followers of revisionist scholars question the presence of the Aryans in India and seem baffled that a nomadic people as they should produce such a brilliant religious doctrine and language. This is nothing new since skeptics of all colors are found in all disciplines and studies of history , the arts and other such academic fields. Well, the Indus people did produce an astonishing civilization far in advance of its time and very modern and exquisitely built in retrospect to its time and people. The Indus people are Stone Age people using more or less primitive stone tools, and yet they produced something of value remarkable for such an age traded, maintained it and also produced or invented writing without attending scholastic classes. Thus, they used their intelligence and wit to match their brilliance, a remarkable achievement for a people still living in the mists of antiquity. They proved that the Age does not matter but the ability to imagine and to comprehend what to do with the tools at hand and those were very primitive tools so to speak.
Yet the readers and revisionist followers never seem to question the Indus civilization and its achievements but in most Internet articles and publications , they question the Aryans' ability to produce such religious hymns and near perfect language. These readers can't believe or don't want to believe that the Aryans composed and wrote down such beautiful verses for religious purposes in a matter of centuries. So why can't they? The Indus people used their imagination and resources to build a civilization out of the mists of antiquity. Then, why can't the Aryans despite being nomads gave India its great religious legacy so too did the Prophet Mohamed gave Arabia , Islam and they were all nomads on the move.
The Aryans after they entered Afghanistan began to compose the Vedas and from the moment they left Afghanistan , for India they continue to compose the verses of the Vedas. The method they used , they were masters at. They chanted everything from memory led by the Artharvans, the high priests. Chanting the Vedas for thousands of years is the method the Rigvedic Aryans used to preserve their legacy. Yes, for those readers who doubt that the Aryans could not have created such beautiful poetry whilst on the move , that is the method they used. They committed it to memory. They used their ability and natural human recources even though they were nomads just like the nomads coming out of the sands of Arabia. Those Indian doubters should be aware of this since this legacy were passed down to them from their forefathers. The rivers they encountered in India from the headwaters of the mountains they named and having known the Sarasvati in Afghanistan , they gave the Sarasvati its name. As the river began to dry up the name remained in the Vedas simply because it was taboo to change the sacred hymns. And this brings us to the area already dominated by the Aryans. The oldest books of the Vedas which contain the early intrusion of the Aryans contain one natural phenomena which seemed to have bedeviled the Aryans as they struggled to make a living in the Seven Rivers area. And that is the rampaging floods that they wrote so much about India's raging rivers pumped up by the Monsoons every year are mentioned by the Aryans. Here are a few from Bk 2 alone:
Book 2 Hymn V11 Verse 3 through streaming water floods.
X I Verse 2 floods great and many
XII Verse 12 Seven great floods to flow at pleasure
XIII Verse 1 rapidly the floods wherein it grows
XIII Verse 12 Turviti heldest still the flowing floods
XV Verse 5 the mighty roaring flood he stayed from flowing
XIX Verse 3 sent forth the flood of waters to the ocean
XXI Verse 5 from him who speeds the flood
XXV Verse 3 He, mighty like a raving billowy flood
XXXV Verse 3 Some floods unite themselves, On every side the bright
floods have encompassed
Book 3 Hymn 1 Verse 4 Him , Blessed One, the Seven strong Floods
LIII Verse 9 ... restrained the billowy river etc
With the above , one can imagine the conditions and wild landscape , huge raging rivers and deep forested jungle and craggy mountains and fertile plains that the Aryans enountered in the land of the Seven Rivers. The constant stream of overflowing rivers and raging tides and flooding the land must have tested the faith of these people. The monsoons of India must have created havoc with the beliefs of the Aryans since these heavy downpours flooded the land and the rivers making them deadly, especially the Indus and the Sarasvati. In parts the Sarasvati must dried up during the years but the monsoons torrential downpours which is phenomenal and extensive surely would have created awe in the world of the Aryans. The Sarasvati's name was transferred to this great river in India for as the people of the Indus disappeared from history, the newly intrusive Aryans must have applied the name to the river. With the fall and decline of the Indus civilization , the river which probably had a name was unknown to the newly arrived Aryans and so they gave it the name of Sarasvati, which they knew in Afghanistan. I have read somewhere that revisionist Frawley once said that it was not possible that the Aryans could have brought horse and chariots to the northwest of India. Well, they did and the earliest books from 2--7 is full of horses and chariots. The northwest of India also contain fertile which would have accommodate horses and chariots and Frawley's et al have sought to disinform readers and supporters of the migration theory that the horses and chariots mentioned in the Vedas were symbolic connected with their religion. How come the Aryans of the Tarim basin used chariots and horses to occupy parts of this area surrounded by rugged mountains and built a civilization? But that is another matter. Despite, being troubled by rising flood waters, monsoons, cold weather, the Aryans continue to invoke their most popular god Indra to help them fight off enemies and foul weather. Time and again Indra is called upon to help Aryan prayers to persevere and we divert here for a moment for a chronology of the prehistoric Aryan origin. The ridiculous Frawley et al theory of an indigenous Indus Aryan civilization does not have any foundation whatsoever. Lets begin with the Vedas and the Avesta. Vedas means Vedic Hymns so too do the Zend Avesta. which implies or stipulates that the Indo-Aryans and the Iranians were one people living somewhere before in an ancient homeland. This suggests :
a) They are new nomadic tribes to the subcontinent.
b) The lifestyles of the Vedas and the Avesta are the same
c) They shared the same language, customs, rites, etc.
d) They used the same technology such as horses and chariots, which was
unknown at that time in the region.
e) They worshipped the same gods and both religions were alike in their
formative stages.
f) They belong to the same IE family of languages and ethnicity etc.
g) Scanning the pages of the Vedas and Avesta in detail exposes the fact that
the people does not have any knowledge of a vast subcontinent.
h) Their immediate geography is limited to certain areas and there is no
knowledge of other parts of India in that earliest period.
i) The presence of names of areas and rivers in Afghanistan reveals that they
knew the geography of the country and is the only other country they knew.
j) Whereas, the Indus people knew of other countries such as Sumer,
Mesopotamia, Dilmun, Magan, and some Arabian countries.
k) There is not mention or knowledge of the above mentioned countries in the
Vedas or the Avesta.
l) We can compare the invasion of the Aryans like the migratory methods of the
Mexicans to the US, the only difference is the Aryans took over India.
m) The Aryans had to come from somewhere , they just could not have
evolved from the vast subcontinent. There is no evidence to support
that, especially in the south, where the population is very much darker
than those in the north. It is reasonable that if the Aryans were in India
for thousands of years, interbreeding would have produced a uniform
white skinned or fair skinned nation. America is only two hundred years
old and the Black population is turning white skinned already. With its
thousands of years of history, one can imagine India would be like.
n) The Aryans who tarried in the north and northwest for thousands of years
were a segregated lot and very clannish. To make it worse their caste
system for a while preserved their color. So we can see that the north
bore the brunt of the migration as they assimilated.
o) The Androvono, BMAC and other cultures smacks of the strong smell of an Indo-
Iranian origin with its vast burial and cremation sites of horses, chariots, wheels
and other practices mentioned in the Vedas. The Dadhanyac horse head legend
now brought back to life with its discovery on the steppes of Russia. The burial
relics associated with this cultures fits nicely with IE customs and rites and
the migration route from the shores of the Black Sea to the Hindukush to the
Swat culture and the only mention of a foreign country called Afghanistan. The
Aryans knew the Kubha river and others. The Swat culture is the most
likely locus of the earliest IE presence east of the Hindus Kush of the bearers of
the Rigvedic culture (Wikipedia Page 5 Textual References.Internet Article)
p) The Aryans in the Vedas have not mentioned any knowledge of being familiar
with any people or tribes or their customs to suggest a past habitation.
q) As proven outsiders and the clinching evidence that the Aryans were that is the
evidence portrayed by the Swat Culture. Here there is a major change in the
Swat Valley with the introduction of new ceramics, burial sites and cremation
remains in urns which is a custom of the early Vedic people from the Sapta
Sindhu which is reminiscent of the Trojan cremation urns. IE people are known
to practice this custom and not people descended from Afro-Austric lineage.
Then, there are horse burials and trappings. Do the revisionists accept this?
Thus, attempts of proponents of continuity to portray the Rigvedic culture as
native to the subcontinent, such as identification of horses and chariots in the
Indus art have little or not acceptance from Indologists. (Horse and chariot,
Page 11 Wikipedia. Internet Article)
r) For those who like to quote the Nadistuti Sukta and its praise of rivers to base
their argument for an indigenous Aryan civilization, should look again. The sages
who compiled this list, suggests that the Aryans only knew these rivers in
northwest India and Afghanistan. Nothing here suggests a hinterland geographic
knowledge of the rest of the subcontinent.
The migration into India as shown above is ironclad and I will now go on to change topic and
make a few comments here on the supposed theory of the Out of India model as presented by Mr. Elst's emerging model as presented in Wikipedia page 3. Internet Article.
Mr. Koenraad Elst writes:
The Out of India theory as suggested by him holds that the Indo-Iranians were
remnants of the Proto-Indo Europeans culture that resided with the Indian
subcontinent in the 5th millennium BC. After the split of the Proto-Indo-
Iranians. The Iranians would have migrated towards the Hindu Kush and
eventually towards the Central Asia making their discovery of the chariot during
this period.
I am amused by his speculation which also include a map showing his theory how the
PIE language spread from the Indus Valley outwards from India! Mr. Elst and his colleagues still believe in an Aryan Indus and and indigenous IE civilization of India and that it spreaded outwards despite the lack of convincing evidence of habitation, custom, rites etc that these people supposed to have left behind in Indian burial sites such as horses, chariots, pottery language etc. Mr. Elst's emerging model is weak and has no foundation. Lets see:
According to Mr. Elst a very highly educated and disciplined person in this craft, believed that the PIE originated in the Indus, that the Aryans left India to discover the chariot in Asia and spread the language in Europe etc. Then,
a) How can a people of India migrated outside to Asia to discover the chariot,
when 6,000 years ago the sites of the Russian steppes such as Sintashta and
Petrovka and Kazakhstan were already buried in their burnt graves?
b) If and when they got back to India why are there no evidence of horse burials
or evidence of of chariot usage in India before the advent of the Aryans?
c) Why did they not have evidence of the use of the horse and chariot in the
Indus which is a complete blank in its archaeological sites. Did they come
to India and used the horse and chariot excluding the Indus?
d) How can PIE originate from the Indus civilization when the seals and script
does not represent a spoken language per se?
e) New analysis of material from the graves from this area shows that these
chariots were built more than 4000 years ago , strengthening their case
for their origin in the steppes rather than the Middle East. ( Remaking the
Wheel-Evolution of the Chariot. Science Times Book of Archaeology. NY
Edited by Nicholas Wade 1999. by John Noble Wilford 1994)
Poor Mr. Elst et al , they cannot seem to account properly for the absence of the horse
and chariot at the Indus, hence an OIT. This subject of the horse and chariot has thrown
their axis out of tilt and they can't seem to get it straight.
I'd like to make a point on the subject of horses to those who believe that the Indus was a center for horse breeding from the inception of the Indus civilization circa 3500BC. Indian historians and some archaeologists have written a host of articles of horses at the Indus and reported findings of bones and remains. Also, we hear how the Indus empire was far flung in its trading with other nations such as Sumer, Mesopotamia and Arab lands. We read of the vast trading commerce of the Indus people with their sailing ships and we read of the products they traded with other people. Also , most of the Indian writers and historians state how vast deposits of horse bones are found in most Indus cities. If all this is true , then why in the trading documents are there no mention of horse trading of Indus ships with the other nations? Where are the detailed descriptions of the color of the horse, the breed of the horse etc in the trading lists of the Indus traders? Where are the parts of the chariots that was traded from the Indus to other cities and civilizations? Why are there no details of horse trading from the other lands , especially from the Arabs? How is it that the Indus ALONE possessed the horse from 3500BC, and no other civilization or city has no textual evidence of its presence within that time? The Indus was indeed overflowing with bones, asses and onagers. The Indus civilization drew on an inexhausted supply of asses and onagers from the Rann Of Kutch where the ass is known as khurs. This is where the Indus people derived the source of their transport , because the Rann OF Kutch was overflowing with asses and onagers and they were used for transport, pack animals, dray carts along with the oxen and bulls. Even today the area still depends on the Rann Of Kutch for its pack animals. So the Indian historians and archaeologists should stop looking in every nook and cranny of the Indus for horses. They didn't exist. If any Indian archaeologist or historian could find any textual evidence that the Indus traded in horses with their neighbors , I'd recommend him for a Nobel Peace Prize. Indian scholars and historians who fervently believe in an Aryan Indus love to include in their books and pieces supposed evidence of horse bones, remains and fauna in the cities and sites of the ancient Indus. But none so far can prove that evidence exists that the Indus possessed this technology and as I have said above that if the Indus people knew this animal , they would have left evidence of horse trading in those ancient times. It is amazing that several historians and scholars give glowing accounts of reasons why the Indus is of Aryan origin but omits the main animal-- the horse and worse yet go into detail about Indus trade and yet cannot produce attestation of horse trading. Every conceivable item, article and artifact is detailed for the trade industry for the Indus but the trade in horses is missing. Dr. Subhash Kak, a devotee of Aryan Indus in his article: "Vedic Elements In the Ancient Iranian Religion of Zarathushtra" ( Pages 51-56) makes a comparison of the two religions but ominiously leaves out the horse and chariot but includes the cow. This is cynical of the writings of historical revisionists who write and publish articles as the true history of India arguing for an Aryan Indus but omits the horse and chariot. This kind of argument never clinches their theories. Or if they do mention the horse and chariot, they rely on the false layer of deposits of ass bones found in the Indus as evidence of the animal's existence. A horse rich Aryan Indus existing from 3500BC should leave us and archaeologists a vast amount of remains of a horse culture, a culture of attestation which should exhibit the training and breeding of horses, textual evidence of horse management, use of the horse as a mode of transport or for martial purposes and written documents of horse trade with the surrounding empires. None of this is available in the ruins of the Indus and while the Aryans and Trojans are superb examples of horse breeding, of which the evidence attests to this, the Indus are not known to have seen a horse and therefore are not horse breeders. There is no pictorial evidence of interaction or integration of the horse and chariot in the evidence produced so far in the Indus. There are no seals or scripts attesting to people of the Indus driving chariots pulled by horses as we have seen in other societies. If any animals were used in the Indus civilization , they were amply supplied by the limitless herds of asses and onagers roaming the Rann Of Kutch, known as khurs. As G.L Possehl the archaeologist said,
"As far as I can tell, there are lots of asses documented at the Indus
settlements , but not domestic horses."
Who else can be more right? All this has been confirmed by Meadow and Kenoyer the two leading archaeologists in the Indus excavations and most times they are irritated by the revisionist scholars whose enthusiasm carries they them away. This is what the various Hindunet articles are trying to suggest that the donkey carts of the Indus is a point of origin for the development of lightly rolling war chariots of the Vedas. They are employing lexemes, morphemes, phonemes and various other subtle ingenuous and insidious word building in these articles in order to fit the Aryans war machine for an Aryan Indus society when the archaeological evidence does not produce such a picture. Other internet articles state that:
Carts were pulled by oxen and asses in Sumeria between 3000 and 2750 BC
By the time of the Copper Age , 3000BC solid wheels and axles were used.
There are records of two four wheeled carts pulled by oxen and asses in
Sumeria and Mesopotamia between the above date. Also many model carts
have been dug up. (www. Techitouk.com)
The King of Sumer rides out in cart pulled by 4 donkeys for war.
(www.answerbag.com)
If the reader notices , these are the same time period which so called horse bones are found in the Indus and this brings up the following questions , which I am sure no historian or scholar of a revisionist nature will attempt to answer.
a) If there was an Aryan indigenous civilization with the above dates, where are the
cremation sites or urns from this time period? The Trojan civilization produced
cremation sites and urns from this early period.
b) Why is there no evidence of a deep and vast horse culture in the Indus?
c) Why are there no remains of sacrifice and buried chariots which is the custom of
Aryan people?
d) If the Aryans were indigenous to India why is there an absence of such
documentation in the texts and chronicles of other neighboring clans and tribes?
e) Why is there only mention of cremation in the Vedas and not in other
chronicles?
f) Why is there only mention of horse sacrifice only in the Vedas and not in other
chronicles of the other people?
g) Most important of all, how can the Indus possess horses in a vaccum at a time
when other empires did not have them? Did the Indus alone have them? If so
why are there no evidence of trade?
h) The Indus as a civilization has failed to demonstrate or illustrate its familiarity with
horses in a two fold manner:
The absence of interaction and integration of its people, history and
archaeological remains with the horse and chariot.
There is no pictorial or illustrative carvings, engravings or writings that allude to it
familiarity of the horse with its people. eg. there is no pictures of people
together with horses and chariots, no writings or seals that reveal the
breedings, categories or worshipful reverence of the horse or allusions to rich
people owning horses or horses used as transport in the cities.
Secondly, the Indus civilization as a cluster for habitation for survival has no
evidence that the horse existed as an integrative icon in its religion, culture ,
lifestyle or as a tool for transport or for martial purposes. Its absence as an
integrative icon or symbol in the society of the Indus is complete. Historians
and archaeologists as AK . Sharma and Bonkoyi are dead wrong. They cannot
prove that the horse was used for trading nor can anyone else connected with
the Indus. The Indus has no evidence of trading in horses and thus its
integrative absence is true. Also, had the horse existed in the Indus , its rulers
would have certainly traded its value, used it for personal and martial purposes
etc. I challenge anyone to provide evidence that the Indus traded horses with its
neighbors between 3500BC-2500BC when supposedly horse bones and
remains were found in its soils of its cities.
I once posed this question to Mr. Elst about the question of evidence of horse trade from the Indus with their neighbors. His answer was not satisfactory nor was his attitude conducive to me in his reply. The trading of horses as an industry or occupation in the Indus is non-existent and revisionist writers bask in the glory of the greatness of the Indus in their trading relations with their neighbors. Dozens of books , articles and publications are devoted to the huge trading industry of the Indus with the distant empires and cities in faraway lands. We also read about the Indus people , especially sailors and merchants and traders lived in Sumer, Mesopotamia and other foreign lands and carried on trade with their counterparts. This is the time period that where most revisionist theories date the supposedly Aryan Indus from 3500BC to 2700BC in which horse remains and bones are plentiful in the Indus cities from Ropar in the north to Surkotada down south.and even further. Then there is the familiar terracota finds of horse figurines and such things that some archaeologists and historians label as true findings of the existence of the horse at the Indus. Mr. Elst's long list of horse bones and remains is grand and convincing if one does not delve further into the history of the Indus. Here is a piece from the Internet dated July 9 2003. titled
Trade and Economics of the Indus: The Harappan Tradition.
A complex system of trade networks made the Harappans rich and guaranteed
access to exotic goods. Internal networks moved every imaginable good throughout
the Civilization. Shell, dried fish, and pearls from the coast; copper, tin, chert,
precious metals and semiprecious stone from the hill country, and grain, animals,
and wood from the rural areas flowed from one area to another, resulting in a
nearly homogenous distribution of goods across the face of the civilization irrespective
of origin. Networks extended into Central Asia, Mesopotamia, and the Arabian
Peninsula. These networks exported every good and luxury available in the
Harappan Civilization. It is unclear what was being imported, but it is likely to be
wool , fish and grain.
Subsistence and Trade
Subsistence and trade settlements lay on the flood plains of the Indus and Gha
riverss, where fertile land was annually refreshed by innundation. Recent research
has shown wheat, barley, pulses, millets, fibers/ oilseed, melons ,coucumbers,
squashes , and water buffalo, goat and sheep provided animal products.Floodplains
lack raw materials, urban economies provided surplus for exchange to oil. Kenoyer
proposed a series of trade or resource routes linking the urbanized centers with
areas of lapis lazulli, carnelian, steatite, shells, chert, tin, copper and gold. These
materials processed were redistributed within the Indus region and the surplus was
traded to the Persian Gulf states as far as Elam and Mesopotamia.
(Welcome to the Human Past Page 5&6 Internet Article 12/14/06)
I will now continue with the Indus and its trading partners from the Internet article which is quite a thick document and has the following headlines. Of course, I am only extending the discoveries of the trade of the Indus and the neighboring cites and empires. I am doing this to point out a few instances where trade is claimed by the authors of this document dated 12/5/06 and has three separate titles. This will show precisely what was traded for the three different regions. viz:
Central Asia, Mesopotamia and Sarasvati Sindhu civilization
Sarasvati Sindhu civilization is one tip of the triangle linking
with the Central Asian and Mesopotamian cultural areas.
Bactrian - Margian - Archaeological - Complex BMAC
From Bactria peculiarly the article does not say that trade was done with the Indus and the author assumed that,
" there is every ground to assume the dissemination from it of metal-works (celts, daggers,
pins) and specific forms of earthenware (stemmed vases, saucers etc) in the eastern
direction down to the valley of the Indus, by way of exchange, trade and cultural
contacts. This period embraces the existence of the Harappan civilization and does
not presuppose the arrival of new tribes. This is strikingly proved by the Harappa
culture itself, which demonstrates a continuous line of development without any
invasions from outside. We shall merely remark that southwestern Iran and possibly
Caucasus emerge as a zpne where numerous metal articles come to be produced(mid
2nd millennium BC) while Iranian Khorassan is doubtlessly the main venue for their
penetration into the southern areas of central Asia, Bactria and possibly the valley of
the Indus.
(Viktor I. Sarianidi, 1979, New Finds in Bactria and Indo-Iranian Connections, pp 643-659, South Asian Archaeology 1977, Naples)
The above information as I said looks peculiar to me. Here we have an assume trading of goods between BMAC region, Iran, and the Caucasus in the 2nd Millennium and only the mention of metal articles are noted for trade. This region is famous for horses because this is where the Aryans came down from the Black Sea area
The Horse in Sarasvati Sindhu Civilization
States dating Tepe Hissar IIIB a little before 2000 BC ... skull of horse found and
furthermore the horse is alleged to have been domesticated at Sha Tepe much
earlier still thus anticipating it appearance at Boghazkoy in Central Asia Minor in the
Hittite period.....
What does this tell you? The theme running through this paragraph is that the skull is found at Hissar IIIB and domesticated at Shah Tepe says just that and nothing else. It does not say anything about the Indus. It does not connect the Indus with ShahTepe nor does it say that the horse was known at the Indus. The next few paragraphs from:
AK Sharma, The Harappan horse was buried under the dunes of ... in
Puratattva.....In the Harrapan levels over here have been found clearly
identifiable terracota figurines of this animal.
(Pages 3,4,5 and 6.Mackay FEM , MEL Mellowan 1965 Early Mesopotamian and
Iran, London Thames and Hudson p. 123
Vol 1, page 289, Ak Sharma, Bulletin of the Indian Archaeological Society No 23,
1992-93 pp. 30-34, Mackay FEM Vol 1 p 289 Wheeler Indus Civilization 1968
p. 92 Cambridge. Prof. S Bokonyl, Director Archaeological Institute Budapest 13
Dec 1993 , Dr Joshi,. Archaeological Survey of India, S. Rao, and B Nauth of
the Zoological Survey of India 1985 p. 641, Lal, 1998 p. 112 , Gupta 1979,
Vol. 2
The professional names quoted above have put their signature and approval to the supposed horse finds at Surkotada, Mohenjodaro, Kolidhwa, Mahagara, Kachchha, northern
Baluchistan, Lothal, Nausharo, and other areas. The carbon dating for these finds are from 3500 BC to 2315 BC and further down. Finds include supposedly, teeth, bones of true horse, terracota figurines, upper and lower cheek, incisors and phalanges or to bones, intermaxilla fragment , crib biting, faunal remains, cheek teeth, spur or protocone and upper molars of these supposed horses. What a find! Now, let us for argument sake say that all these finds are true, then we can come to only one conclusion and that is the following:
a) Why aren't there evidence of horse trade with the neighbors ot the Indus?
b) The bloody place seemed to be overrunning with horses and yet we can't
find one engraving or etching on the seals and script. Why?
c) How come the Indus have so many horses and her neighbors don't have no
evidence of trading in horses, no documentation to attest to this activity with
the Indus.
d) Horse trade among IE people is a lucrative trade but the supposed Aryan
Indus seem to be bereft of this activity. Wht?
e) It appears that all the experts who contributed to this article cannot seem to
tell the difference between asses, onagers and half asses and the true
horse.
f) None of the trading partners as far as the Arabian lands have no evidence
that they possessed the horse during this period of 3500 BC and 2700BC
g) All the Internet articles written by the revisionists only allude to finds of
horse bones for a particular area and not directly to the Indus civilization.
None of the articles proves that direct horse bones and remains have been
found at the Indus.
h) Most likely and the only area which supplied the Indus and its partners with
the ass , onager and half assses was from the great resource of the Rann of
Kutch, on which great herds of these animals grazed. This is the area where
the asses came from to supply the transport industry. Also, find a few horse
bones, if they are true horse bones ,does not make the the Indus Aryan. This
was a prized animal of the Aryans and highly valued, traded, breeded and
worshipped and cared for. We see nothing of this in the history of the Indus.
I see nothing in the seals or scripts saying or describing a horse, its breed, its
uses or indications that the horse was used at the Indus.
The Rigvedas is replete with horses and for those who still maintain that the Indus civilization is Aryan, here are a few examples of Aryan knowledge of horse breeding:
BOOK HYMN TITLE VERSE DESCRIPTION
2 1 Agni 5 givest noble steeds
2 1 Agni 16 with kine and steeds
2 2 Agni 10 valor with the steed
2 2 Agni 13 kine and steeds
2 10 Agni 2 dark steeds or ruddy
2 11 Indra 6 two Bay steeds
2 11 Indra 11 Indra, thy Bay steeds
2 18 Indra 18 thy two Bay Coursers
3 7 2 heaven hath Mares
3 35 Indra 3 Tawny Horses
3 36 Indra 9 Lord of the Tawny Coursers
3 42 Indra 7 by thy Stallions
3 43 Indra 4 let thy two Bay Stallions
3 44 Indra 2&4 Lord of Tawny Steeds
3 30 Indra 2 with thy Bay horses
3 43 Indra 23 a sluggish steed men run not with the
Parvata the courser, nor ever lead an ass before
a charger.
5 53/64 Maruts 3&9 They came with winged steeds
Asvins with your winged steeds
5 56 Maruts 6 the bright red mares
5 59 Maruts 5 like steeds of ruddy color
The Aryans were super horsebreeders and they knew it like the back of their hands the categories of horses that they used for transport and war, there was the Bays, the Coursers, the mares, the stallions and the steeds chargers They also knew flying horses which connect them with their Greek cousins with Pegasus etc. Can a supposedly Aryan
Indus civilization have any evidence to show that they knew such details about horses? Not likely. So why do the revisionists still cling to the sterile imagination of an Aryan Indus when such details of an animal was not in their conception of an Aryan Indus? Where can one find such detail about horses in Elst's supposedly Aryan Indus? All this is followed in the Vedas of details of the intricate part of the chariot which again is not found in the seals and script of the Indus. If the Indus knew the horse I still fail to see any evidence of detailed inscriptions or documents that they were familiar with the subject. The seals are blank as well as the script and this idea of an Aryan Indus is a very strange vision that has gripped the revisionists and every article and book they write has this idea as a background story. The Indus civilization do not only has to prove that the horse existed there but has to show further attestation of its presence. And that brings me to the most important concept of its presence in the Indus which is two fold.
1) The revisionists will have to show its interactive role in the daily lives of the
people.
2) The revisionists will have to show evidence that the animal was an
integrative part of its civilization.
The Indus civilization had the necessary resources to leave evidence that they were familiar with the horse as an integrated factor of their society. Since its discovery site after site has shown nothing that could tell archaeologists that the horse was as integrated as the other animals such as the oxen and bullock and asses. There are plenty of asses , onagers and half asses as GL Possehl says but no evidence of the domesticated horse. None of the discoveries has exposed the real form of the horse or nary a close resemblance. That has gotten as far as the onager which are being mistaken for the real thing. The walls of the buildings also , unlike the Egyptian walls and tombs contain absolutely no etchings, paintings, carvings etc of the true horse. These people could write and it is strange that they never left us any image of the horse in their society. Therefore, one can only come to the conclusion that the horse was not a familiar sight in the eyes and knowledge of the Indus people. There are no references to the animal in the Indus society nor in its belief system or religion if any existed. From day one the archaeologists have been digging up the bones of oxen , asses , bullocks , onagers and half asses which was plentiful at the Rann Of Kutch and from where the Indus people solicited these animals. But nothing that points to the presence of horses has ever been found and they realized that the absence of a horse culture and its trappings was not there. The other part of this concept is the interactive side of the equation. Other civilizations have illustrated how they interacted with their animals but this too is absent from the Indus. There are no carvings, illustrations, seals and other such graphic themes that would tell us that the Indus people was using this animal for transport purposes , war, travel or for royal journeys as is done in other societies who knew it. This is understandable in that the horse did not reach the Stone Age societies of these civilizations at this time in antiquity. We see no drawings of the Indus people riding horses or references to it, no seals containing imprints of its form nor of its people driving chariots pulled by horses. All this is absent as well as the absence of stables and stalls for the animals and workshops to care for the vehicles and animals. Horses need a special kind of care , they have to be well fed, groomed, medically fit, trained and a host of other things. It is a point well taken that had horses existed at the Indus , they would certainly would have had horse trade with the other cities and empires but this too is absent, quite the opposite to the superb Aryan horse breeders and trainers. Nowhere are there any evidence that the traders indulged in this practice and there are no reference to the different kinds of horse breeds which is the first important thing a horse trader looks for. No documentation exists on this subject. Indus society has no reference in its daily lifestyle that point to the animal was interacting with their lives.
People who want to change the history of India, must not only do away with something they find offensive or repugnant , but they must replace it with something of value and authentic. An Aryan Indus is not authentic nor is it being replaced with something of value. It is being replaced bya lie. But alas, other than the scholars and historians who really believe in an Aryan Indus , there are others who follow their misguided paths based on their wrong assumptions and mistaken history of India. Other than the history of the Vedas, the geography of the Rigveda is also under fire to suit the claims of those who advocate the Aryan Indus theory. And that is what it will remain a theory.
I now refer Mr. R Goel's " Geography of the Rigveda" published on the Internet on 17/2/03 where he attempted to convince his readers that the Aryans of India are indigenous and that the Indus is Aryan. I personally think that it is an excellent attempt to prove the above but it has it flaws. For one, on page 15, he writes:
That the historical movement of the Vedic Aryans across the Sutudri
Vipas rivers at the time of Sudas, can only be a westward movement.
Now, why would the Vedic Aryans who is supposed to be indigenous to India stop in this area which contains the Cemetery H Culture? This Culture is described by Wikipedia.org on page 1 as the following:
The distinguishing features of this culture include:
a) The use of cremation of human remains. The bones were stored
in painted pottery burial urns. This is completely different to the
Indus civilization where bodies were buried in wooden coffins.
b) Reddish pottery , a completely different pottery to the Indus.
c) Expansion of settlements into the east. This is evidence in
contrast to Goel's east to west scenario. His scenario has
no attestation of such a movement.
d) The cultivation of rice as a crop by the Aryans who learned it
from the Indus people etc.
This is a classic example of the overlaying of a new culture over the old one and of course
the Aryans went through a process of assimilation, linguistic, cultural and political changes from the people they met from the Indus. Mr. Goel's article of Aryans coming from the interior has no foundation since he cannot provide textual attestation that this is so. Whereas, evidence can be provided that the Aryans did come into India and left their mark in the form of culture , cremation, religion and political apparatus etc. But the major flaw in his article is the omission of the horse in the section that he discusses the animals of the Vedas. From page 31, he began to cite the names of animals found in the Vedas and they are the elephant, the buffalo, the bison the peacock and the spotted deer. On page 33 he states:
Further, the names of these animals are purely Aryan Indo-European: the
elephant for example, has four names each of which has a purely Aryan
etymology.
All well and good , but what happened to the horse? Mr. Goel. It seems that you have either forgotten the horse, overlooked it deliberately or chose to ignore it completely. This is the same journalistic transgression most revisionist writers do for the above reason. It is fascinating to see some of them composing histories of India and more or less just devote a few lines to the horse and chariot or chose not to. Maybe I should bring it to the attention of Mr. Goel, if he hasn't noticed it already that his Rigvedic rivers are all confined to the north-west of India and he cannot provide any substantial evidence that the Aryans existed in an indigenous state in India. So if they did as he and other revisionists claim , then where are the attestation for this? Why are the revisionists only arguing for an Aryan Indus from the perspective of textual evidence from the Vedas, supposed evidence from the Indus, from the geography of the Vedic rivers, and not in return for evidence from other parts of India? Can Mr. Goel supply any evidence of Aryan indigenity for the following points?
a) Any concrete evidence of Aryan habitation in India that
can say that Aryans lived here?
b) Any attested sites of cremation and burial of Aryans before 1500BC
c) Remains of their pottery and artifacts.
d) Textual evidence of the supposed Aryan neighboring tribes that
can verify that Aryans once occupied the land before their
supposed migration out of India.
e) That horses and chariots existed in India before the advent of
the Aryans in 1500BC.
If Mr. Goel can provide these answers to the above then he has a case along Talageri et al. These writers and historians though they mean well, are screwed in their logic of trying to paint the Indus as Aryan. Their points of history of India is okay except for a few ideas that are flawed. One is that the Aryan Indus existed since 3500 BC and the other is the migration out of India. The other is the problem of the Sarasvati river and the other is the vexing one of the horse and chariot which has so far eluded them and thus making their theories outdated and impossible and illogical. First we will discuss the Sarasvati river which , since the satellite discovery of its disappearance has been jumped on by the historical writers who are using it to clinch their case to overthrow the Aryan occupation of India. We can see from the location of the Cemetery H civilization and settlements that the Aryans did not come from the East but from the north where they sojourned in Afghanistan. They had to be because Afghanistan ancient Aryan name is Arianna and this is an Aryan name and it is from this region where the Vedic people came from from their journey from Central Asia. One can believe that the rivers of the north-west of India were not named with their present names when the Indus civilization reigned supreme. What these people called the rivers we don't know. But where did the Aryans come up with the name Sarasvati? It only had to come from some river they knew before and when they came into India and saw the river it was already drying up or in it last stages. They called it Sarasvati nevertheless from the one they knew back in Afghanistan. But one may ask why then should they glorify a river with such praise and epithets when probably it does not deserve it. The only logical reason is two fold:
1 ) the Aryan custom of chanting and singing praises
2) the sacredness of the religion and the taboo of changing
words and religious articles of faith
This may sound far fetched but the Aryan custom of chanting praises and verses still exist today as deeply as ever in every facet of its religion. One must remember this is a time of antiquity , an age of deep religious faith, in which verses and certain words chanted in good faith cannot be changed with the snap of a finger and is resisted by the sages, bards and seers of the tradition. We see this even today in the exact measurement of the fire altars which still have the exact length and with from thousands of years, of which not an iota has been altered. Thus , when the Aryans were in Afghanistan the local river which they named Sarasvati were praised and this was written down in the Vedas thousands of years before but was chanted as the same and they knew that the one in India ran to the sea. Nevertheless, they applied the same chanting praise and epithets to it. Perhaps, the Indian Sarasvati still packed some power , since the seasonal monsoon rains and floods probably ravaged the land before it petered out. That is why the Vedas still has the written words because it was handed down thousands of years , exactly as it was first spoken by the priestly Brahmins so long ago. I do not think for one moment a religious people as the Aryans were would worship a completely dried out river with such praises nor anyone in their right minds. Now,we turn to Mr. Goel's theory of an east to west movement for indigenous Aryans of India which is all wrong for I will provide a chart grid to show why this is so viz:
F i r s t M e n t i o n O f S a r a s v a t i I n V e d a s
Name of Historian Earliest BK Hymn Verse Name First Mentioned Of
Witzel 2 41 16 Various Dieties Sarasvati
Revisionists 6 61 1 Sarasvati Sarasvati
F i r s t M e n t i o n O f H o r s e s I n V e d a s
Name of Historian Earliest BK Hymn Verse Name First Mentioned Of
Witzel 2 1 5 Agni Steeds or Horses
Revisionists 6 2 8 Agni Steeds or Horses
F i r s t M e n t i o n O f H o r s e s A n d S a r a s v a t i I n BK ONE
Earliest BK Hymn Verse Name
HORSES 1 3 6 Asvins
SARASVATI 1 3 11 Asvins
RIGVEDA BOOKS IN ORDER OF AGE
Oldest = 2---7
Most Recent = 9
Youngest = 1-- 10
In the above graph the reader will notice that BK 2 which is considered the oldest by Witzel, the Aryans first mention the horse and the river Sarasvati in contrast to that of the revisionist whose BK 6 , the Aryans mention of the horse and river Sarasvati is way down and later in their travels. An animal as important as the horse would be of the utmost importance to the warrior Aryans and would be quickly be in front of any skirmish and worshipped and mentioned in incantations and chantings. The quibble on the subject of horses and chariots, I don't think will end until the revisionists realize that any horse existence at the Indus civilization will have to be accompanied by trade by the Indus people with their surrounding Sumerian and Mesopotamian and Arab trading partners. The finds of terracota horse figuerines and other such resembled figures are close relatives of the horse such as asses, onagers and half asses. The Indus was not a horse breeding nor horse riding or driving society. In conclusion, the revisionists should take note that there is no evidence of interaction or integration of the horse and chariot with the people of this civilization as is shown in other societies as Egypt etc. Had it been so, we would have had a wealth of textual attestations, burial remains of horses, trashed artifacts of broken down chariots in the stables and workshops of the Indus. None of this is there , yet they keep coming with all kind of suggestions of bones discovery, remains etc. It is fascinating to see writers alluding to the Indus civilization as Aryan even though, it did not cremate its dead. Its entire society is based on a Dravidian basis and there is not one iota of its history resembling that of the warrior society of the Vedas. You got to read it to believe it.
I will touch briefly on several aspects of the invasion theory as rejected by the revisionists who now want to create an outward migration despite there is no evidence. At least, for the supposed invasion theory of the Aryans there is evidence that there was an incursion into India sometime in antiquity. Dr. Dinesh Agrawal in his internet article dated 10/28/06 on the "Demise of the Aryan Invasion Theory" states the following on page 6:
There is enough positive evidence in support of the religious rites
of the Harappans being similar to those of the Vedic Aryans. ...
indicating continuity and identity of Vedic culture with the
Indus Valley civilization.
I wonder if the Indus people were cremating their dead in their society for their loved ones. when they died. Did the Indus people when they married circled the fire seven times? Did the Indus people sacrificed the horse and gave libations to the gods? What is this continuity and culture did the Indus people maintain with present day ancestors of the Aryans? Come good doctor, can you expound or expand on the above questions. A close look at the two societies shows the gross differences between the two, one an urban and sedate and peaceful civilization and the other a nomadic warrior society always on the move and wherever they came from they left virtually no archaeological record during their journeys. Dr. Agrawal should know that the Indo-Iranians came from the Sintashta and Androvono sites which have proven their habitation there and the Avesta speaks of an Aryan Homeland. The Aryan Hindus probably did not see it proper to include their former homeland in the Vedas and other writings due to the fact that those lands was where they experienced hardships and struggle. The Avesta states this and at times in the Vedas we read of the Ancient Homeland , though no proper name has ever been given. In the case of the horse which has proven to be such a thorn in the sides of the revisionists and historians, Dr. Agrawal should be aware that those bones , if they are horse bones found at the Mature and Late Harappan are the remains of either asses or onagers or horses from the conquering Aryans. There is no attestation of the Indus people interacting with the horse or evidence of its integration in Indus society. Mr. Asko Parpola has stated over and over again that horses did not exist at the Indus and that the writings and seals of the Indus people are Dravidian in origin. Thus , the Indus is Dravidian for they did not practice Aryan customs in their society. They buried their dead. Only time will tell when the revisionists will have to accept the fact that the Indus is Dravidian. The Indus civilization is not a continuity of the Vedas. The Indo-Aryans and Iranians are one people and they both came from the same homeland as mentioned in the Avesta. Isn't that logical?
WeNow We now come to grips with that doyen of Out of India theory , Mr. Shrikant Talageri with his latest account of an Aryan migration to the Near East. Europe and beyond. A theory of migration involves the reason and circumstances why a people should migrate out of India , especially if there is enough food , plenty of land, resources for everyone , the painful separation of loved ones and a host of other inconviences involved with such an operation. This is a theory flung out by Talageri to give plausible cause and reason for the similarities between Sanskrit and the various European languages. For if there is no migration , how can Mr. Talageri explain as well as others such phenomena? Therefore at the behest , I presume of those in India, an outward outflow of Indians from India to various parts of the world would account for the similarities of Indian and European languages. Talageri in his book "The Rigveda, a Historical Analysis" states that the homeland of the Indo-Iranians is located: (Page 81 , The Indo-Iranian Homeland?
in the area stretching from and including Uttar Pradesh in the
east to and including southern and eastern Afghanistan in the west.
This is the area which represents the common Indo-Iranian homeland
(His italics)
Nice try but wrong and wrong again. In analyzing something like this especially the homeland of a people and nation , there are several factors that has to satisfy the writers and historians. Archaeologists will have to prove that habitation of the former occupiers are authentic and that their tools , implements and weapons that they had used were the same as the old ones discarded in the former habitation. For example, the sites of the Sintashta and a host of other areas , archaeologists have uncovered buried wheels and chariots of the same size and make, sacrifices of horses and others coincide with present practices etc. Is this the same case for the Aryans exodus from India? Did they emigrate with the same tools and weapons as those they left behind? Did they leave chronicles of writing behind that in the future would correlate with their language? Did they have a language when they migrated? As far as the record shows the Aryans before they set down in writing in Sanskrit , they chanted their words rites for thousands of years. Did they leave vestiges of lifestyle in India of their society and can this be found? What part of India did they live and who were their closest neighbors? If and when they came back to India , did they bring back a variety of languages and dialects? Also, if they brought back the Indo-European language grammar to form Sanskrit , why aren't the languages of the Indus and other parts of India do not have an Indo- European base? And why is India's basic indigenous languages mostly Dravidian in origin. and no influence of Sanskrit? It is the other way around, the Sanskrit language is virtually swamped by these other languages. If the Dravidians and Aryans did live in peace from time immemorial , why is the north predominantly Aryan in contrast to the South.? The historical analysis don't seem to fit and Talageri's thesis is outdated and irrelevant and cannot stand close scrutiny. An indigenous Aryan India would have seen an explosion of horses and chariots throughout the country from such long occupation. Instead, the archaeological record cannot stand up to this data or evidence. There are no vast burial sites, no evidence of cremation , no evidence of horse sacrifices and no evidence of prolonged habitation of Aryans and their influence in India before the advent of the first intrusion of Aryans in 1500BC. Talageri's theory is dead in the water for the Rigveda description of horse head sacrifices are now being excavated on the steppes of Russia in those vast burial sites once occupied by nomadic Aryans.
Strange as it may seen, when presented with evidence of an Aryan intrusion the revisionists refuse to believe the evidence before their eyes but when their followers are presented with non attested migration out of India , they accept it lock, stock and barrel.
So it is with the enigmatic problem of the Indus scripts which has defied exhausted attempts at decipherments despite such alleged claims by revisionists. And they are not giving up because if they do their masters will be displeased and thus the Aryan Indus theory cannot be proved. Other than the horse and chariot problem, the language problem has plagued the intellect of the revisionists who cannot seem to get around these problems. As if that is not enough, in comes Mr. Asko Parpola one of the most gifted archaeologists with his findings that the inscriptions on the seals and scripts are indeed Dravidian in origin. This in part can be confirmed in fact by the discovery of an ancient stone axe with Indus markings of Dravidian origins. It was not good news for the likes of Frawley et al! The discovery of more writings at the Indus would certainly kill the case for an Aryan Indus, since such writings would increase the character of the Indus as of Dravidian origin. The attempt to link Aryan Sanskrit to the Indus script has taken a nose-dive and revisionists are nervous about the outcome. The presence of Mr. Parpola is apparently resented by such scholars for he could be the harbinger of bad news. In his article on the Internet published and read in 2005 at the ICES Tokyo session , titled, : Study of the Indus Script:
this eminent and highly respected scholar on the international scene and among his peers writes the following on pages 46,48 subtitled "The Language Problem" the following:
The language problem is most crucial. If the language of the Indus
script belong to a language family not known from other sources,
the Indus script can never be deciphered. Compare the case of the
Etruscan: though written in an easily read alphabetic script, this
isolated language is not much understood beyond the texts covered by
copious translations. But as the Harappan population numbered
around one million, there is a fair chance that traces of the language(s)
have survived in the extensive Vedic texts composed by Indo-Aryan
speakers who came to the Indus Valley from Central Asia during the
second millennium BCE. Aryan languages have been spoken in the
Indus Valley ever since, but an Aryan language could not have been
spoken by large numbers of Mature Harappan people. The culture
reflected in the Rigvedic hymns is quite dissimilar from the Indus
Civilization. Particularly important is the fact that the domesticated
horse has played an important role in the culture of the Indo-Iranian
speakers, and there is no unambiguous evidence for the presence of
Equus caballus in South Asia before the second Millennium BCE.
.........Historically, the most likely candidate for the written majority
language of the Harappans is Proto-Dravidian. The 26 members of
Dravidian language family are now mainly spoken in Central and South
India. However, one Dravidian language , Brahui, has been spoken in
Balochistan for at least a thousand years, as far as the historical sources
go. Even areal linguistics of South Asia supports the hypothesis that the
Indus language belonged to the Dravidian family. The retroflex consonants,
which constitute the most diagnostic feature of the South Asian linguistic
area, can be divided into two distinct groups, and one of these groups are
distributed over the Indus Valley as well as the Dravidian speaking areas.
Most importantly, numerous loanwords and even structural borrowings from
Dravidian have been identified in Sanskrit texts composed in northwestern
India at the end of the second and first half of the first millennium BCE,
before any intensive contact between North and South India. External
evidence thus suggests that the Harappans most probably spoke a
Dravidian language. Tools for such reconstructing Proto-Dravidian are
available.
Well, here we have it from an expert in languages who has dedicated his life's work on the languages of India and which has not sound too pleasing to the ears of the revisionist scholars and which would spell defeat for their theory of an Aryan Indus. Mr. Parpola is in
essence saying that Sanskrit could not be the language of the Indus civilization due to the simple fact that Dravidian language could not be the root of the language of the Vedas. The IE language is an overlaying stratum with loan words punctuating its flanks and underside. Apparently, revisionist scholars are not satisfied with this evidence and several of them have claimed decipherments that loudly proclaim that the language of the Indus has been broken to reveal its Sankritist nature. They all have failed. I can't for one moment visualizing the people of the Indus speaking Sanskrit , without being in possession of the chariot, the horse or observing the sacrifices and libations of its religious ritual. Its very queer isn't it? Since so much has been written on Aryan languages, I will now turn to another subject which so much has also been written and that is the horse. But this time Mr. Parpola will be the new reference for its presence in India Thus, on page 3-4 of the article dated 2005, and titled :
The Nasatyas, the Chariot and the Proto-Aryan religion: of ICES conference in Japan under the subtitle Origin and dispersal of the horse drawn chariot: he writes,
Whether the horse drawn chariot originated in the steppes in the Sintashta /
Arkaim culture or in the Near East is a debated issue, but Stuart Piggot has
has suggested a reasonable compromise that may settle the matter.
The natural habitat of the wild horse and its early domestication was on the
South Russian steppe. Here the first experiments were made in light spoke
wheeled vehicles, a technological reservoir on which Mesopotamia could
draw and then create the chariot, and its later development of organized
chariotry and chariot warfare, which a sophisticated political setting alone
could make possible. There is important new evidence for the steppe
origin of the proto-chariot. The Mycenaean cheek pieces for chariot -
horses can be traced back to through eastern Europe to prototypes
in the south Russian steppes. ............ The BMAC pottery is the source of the
ceramics of the Gandhara Grave culture of Swat, which is the first culture of
northern India to have the domesticated horse.
Revisionists in general may not in particular like the presence of Mr. Parpola's writing, whose work is recognized world wide and in India for his interpretation from the evidence of archaeology , which he has used to show that the Indus was not Aryan and that horses and chariot originated from the steppes of Russia and used in the occupation of India . This is ruffling the feathers of those who believe in indigenous Aryans and an out of India migration scenario which personally to me resembles a nightmare. Lets go a little further in the case of indigenous Aryans. First of all, a case for indigenous Aryans will have to have leave a vast amount of fossil habitation in some area where they were supposed to have sojourned. Secondly, there has to be some chronicle from their neighbors speaking about the presence of a people calling themselves noble or Aryans. None of this has surfaced and there are no other attestation from other Indian tribes in this period who can testify to such indigenity. We haven't seen any evidence of such a fossil record and Indian revisionists are indulging in historical correctness in order to give India a home grown Aryan history , possibly in an attempt to wipe out a historical past that laid the foundation for the caste system which still plagues India even up to today.
As for the origin of the Indian population, they are divided into two categories the indigenous and the foreigners. Such a report was done by a host of genetic scientists and scholars titled:
Genetic Evidence on the Origins of Indian Caste Populations
(Internet Online article May 8, 2001 Vol II ,Number of Pages 26)
The contributors are Michael Bamshad, Toomas Kivisild, W. Scott Watkins, Mary E Dixon, Chris E WIcker, Baskara E Rao, J. Mastan Naidu, BV Ravi Prashad, Govinda Reddy, Arani Rasanayagam, Surinder S Papiha, Richard Willems, Alan J Redd, Michael F. Hammer, Son. V Nguyen, Marion L. Carroll, Mark A Batzer and Lynn B Jorde from the following institutes, research and university centers are Dept of Pediatrics, University Of Utah, Salt Lake City USA. Institute of Molecular and Cell Biology, Tartu University and Estonian Biocentre, Estonia, Dept of Human Genetics, University of Utah, USA, Dept of Anthropology, Andhra University , Visakhapatnam, Andhra Pradesh, India, Anthropological Survey of India, Calcutta, India, Dept of Anthropology , University of Madras, Tamil Nadu, India, Laboratory of Molecular Systematics and Evolution, Unversity of Arizona, USA, Dept of Human Genetics, University of Newcastle upon Tyne UK , Dept of Pathology, Biometry and Genetics , Biochemistry and Molecular Biology, Stanley S Scott Center, Louisiana State University Health Science Center New Orleans USA.
This research is a vast and pretty long drawn out study on the genetics of the Indian population and involved several prestigious Indian scholars and places of learning and some foreign scholars also. This 25 page document on Indian genetic research has come up with some evidence and conclusions based on DNA and cannot be dismissed as some readers have done on the Internet. I know because I read some of those articles attacking the results of the research which is reminiscent of the OJ Simpson case. It seems that those who believe in the indigenous theory are denying empirical established scientific evidence that are now being used to determine the origin human populations and their origins. It is a sad day because this attitude is a throwback to the dark ages of scientific knowledge when ignorance ruled the mind. Anyhow, this document is composed of several sections viz::
Abstract ,Introduction, Results, Discussion and Methods of which I will attempt to just offer a few quotations from their investigations.
The ABSTRACT on page 2 states that :
The analysis of these data demonstrated that the upper
castes have a higher affinity to Europeans than to Asians
and the upper castes are significantly more similar to
Europeans than are the lower castes. Collectively all five
datasets show a trend toward upper castes being more
similar to Europeans, whereas lower castes are more
similar to Asians. We conclude that Indian castes are
most likely to be proto-Asian origin with West Eurasian
admixture resulting in rank related and sex specific
differences in the affinities of castes to Asians and
Europeans
The INTRODUCTION states that:
Shared Indo-European languages (ie Hindi and most
European languages) suggested to linguists ofthe 19th and
20th centuries that contemporary Hindu Indians are
descendants of primarily West Europeans who migrated
from Europe, the Near East, Anatolia, and the Caucasus
3000-8000 years ago (Poliakov 1974, Renfrew 1989)
These nomadic migrants may consolidated their power by
admixing with native Dravidic -speaking ( Telugu proto Asians
populations who controlled regional access to land, labor and
resources. (Cavalli-Storza et al. 1994) and subsequently
established the Hindu caste hierarchy to legitimize and
maintain this power (Poliakov 1974, Cavalli-Storza et al 1994)
It is plausible that these West Eurasian migrants also appointed
themselves to predominantly castes of higher rank. However,
archaeological evidence of the diffusion of material culture
from Western Eurasia into India has been limited (Shaffer
1982). Therefore, information on the genetic relationship of
Indians to Europeans and Asians could contribute substantially
to understanding the origins of Indian populations.
The RESULTS states:
Because historical evidence suggests greater affinity between upper
castes and Europeans than between lower castes and Europeans
(Balakrishnan 1978,1982, Cavalli-Sforza et al 1994) it is appropriate
to use a one tailed test of the difference between the corresponding
genetic distances. The 90 % confidence limits of Nei's standard distances
estimated between upper castes and Europeans (0.006-6.016) versus
lower castes and Europeans (0.017-0.037) do not overlap, indicating
statistical significance at the 0.05 level. Significance at 0.05 is not
achieved if the Kshatriya and Vysya are excluded. These results offer
statistical support for differences in the genetic affinity of Europeans
to caste populations of differing rank, with greater European affinity
toupper castes than to lower castes.
The DISCUSSION concluded that:
Our analysis of 40 autosomal markers indicates clearly that the
upper castes have a higher affinity to Europeans than to Asians.
The high affinity to castes Y chromosomes with those of
Europeans suggests that the majority of immigrating West
Eurasians may have been males. As might be expected if West
Eurasians males appropriated the highest positions in the caste
system, the upper caste group exhibits a lower genetic distance
to Europeans than the middle or lower castes. This is underscored
by the observation that the Kshatriya (an upper caste), whose
members served as warriors, are closer to Europeans than any
other caste (data not shown). Furthermore, the 32 -bp deletion
polymorphism in CC chemokine receptor 5 , whose frequency
peaks in populations of Eastern Europe, is found only in two
Brahmin males (M. Bamshad and S.K Ahuja, unpubl). The
stratification of Y -chromosome distances with Europeans could
also be caused by male specific gene flow among caste
populations of different rank. However, we and others have
demonstrated that there is little sharing of Y- chromosome
haplotypes among castes of diffrent rank. (Bamshad et al. 1998,
Bhattacharyya et al 1999)
The METHODS of this sample collection for genetic study is as follows:
We classified caste populations based upon the traditional ranking of
these castes by varna , occupation, and socioeconomic status.
According to various Sanskrit texts, Hindu populations were
partitioned originally into four categories or varna, Brahmin,
Kshatriya , Vysya, and Sudra(Tambia 1973, elder 1996) Those in
varna performed occupations assigned to their category. Brahmins
were priests, Kshatriya were wariors, Vysya were traders and Sudra
were to serve the three other varna. (Tambia 1973, Elder 1996)
Each varna was assigned a status, Brahmin, Kshatriya, and Vysya were
considered of higher status than the Sudra because the Brahmin,
Kshatriya and Vysya are considered the twice born castes and
are differentiated from all other castes in the caste hierachy. This
is the rationale behind classifying them as the upper group of castes.
The Kapu and the Yadava are called once - born castes that have
traditionally been classified in the Sudra, the lowest of the original
four varna. However, the status of the Sudra was actually higher than
that of a fifth varna, the Panchama. This fifth varna was added at a
later date to include the so-called untouchables, who were excluded
from the other four varna. (Elder1996) The untouchable varna includes the
Mala and Madiga. The position of the Relli in the caste hierarchy is
somewhat ambiguous, but they have usually been classified in the
lower caste group. Therefore, prior to the collection of any data , males
from eight different Telugu speaking castes( n =265) were ranked
into upper (Niyogi and Vydiki, Brahmin, Kshatriya, Vysya (n = 80)
middle ( Telugu and Turpu Kapu, Yadava (n =111), and lower (Relli,
Madiga, Mala (n = 74) groups (Bamshad et al, 1998) . This
ranking has been used by previous investigators (Krishnan and Reddy
1994)
After obtaining informed consent, 8 ml of whole blood or 5 plucked
scalp hairs were collected from each participant. Extractions were
perfumed at Andhra University using established methods (Bell et al 1981)
The ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS
for this DNA genetic research was done mostly by Indian staff at the Andhra
University. As I have read of the negativity generated especially by Indian
publications on the Internet and their doubtful aspersions they cast upon this
study is to their disadvantage. Their unversities, their scholars, their scientists and
their superb technical knowledge was applied in determining the true origins of
the Indian people. If they believe that these studies are not true and official, then
they have no confidence in their own people and methods and this attitude is
caused primarily by political beliefs and fierce anti nationalistic behavior fueled
by political considerations.
There is another study carried out and confirmed the genetic origins of India and titled:
RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN INDIAN POPULATIONS AND EUROPEANS
from the Internet Online article dated 10/17/2006 by the following geneticists:
Joseph Skulj, Jagdish C. Sharda, Snejina Sonina and Petr Jandacek and
published by the Hindu Institute of Learning which states on pages 7& 8 the following under the subtitle : Indo-Aryan and European Genetic Affinity.:
A close affinity , based on the Y chromosome, has been reported between Hindi speaking (Aryan) Indians and Europeans (Quintana -Murci et al, 1999). Bamshad has gone a step further and compared the affinities between the castes and also between the Europeans. He has found that the affinity to Europeans is proportionate to caste rank ; the upper castes being most similar to Europeans, particularly East Europeans. These findings are consistent with greater West Eurasian male admixture with castes of higher rank. The lower castes, on the other hand are more similar to Asians. For this comparison , Eastern Europeans samples from Russia and Romania were used. (Bamshad et al 2001)
Mr Editor , I would appreciate if you can publish my article without censoring it since is based on established evidence. Thank you.
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Forwarded Message:
Subj: The UN-- ARYAN FEATURES OF THE INDUS CIVILIZATION
Date: 12/25/2006 1:03:12 A.M. Pacific Standard Time
From: Brehas2
To: frabrig@yahoo.it
The idea that the Aryans are an indigenous lot is absurd as the theory that the Indus is Aryan. It is all plain for everyone to see despite the hundreds of books , articles and internet reports, that the Aryans are an intrusive people into India.
For sometime now I have been reading several articles of the case for and against AIT/AMT versus OIT. Although the Indian historians and certain archaeologists have more or less proven that there was no invasion per se of India, by Indo-Aryans , the fact still remain that India was and still is occupied by the descendants of the Vedic Aryans whose culture and history make up what is India today and including those from the Indus civilization. A detailed reading and study of the various opinions by those historians and archaeologists on this website, especially from India still maintain and doubt that the horse and chariot came from outside the country and who insist that horses and chariots are indigenous to the land. I have perceived that there are three major points which mostly the Indian historians are stubbornly refusing to concede and that is :
(A) They continue to hang on to the dead theory that the Indus
civilization is Aryan and indigenous.
(B) Despite the mountain of official documented and textual
evidence from various sources eg: Andronovan proven Indo-
Iranian sites, evidence from the Vedas itself, lack of evidence of
horses and chariots in ancient India before the advent of the
Aryans etc, Indian officials and historians still attempt to castigate
the authors and doubt the veracity of the documented and
archaeological evidence.
(C) The clear absence of archaeological and attestation of horse trade
between the Indus Civilization and its neighbors in the time period
of supposed finds of horse remains.
We begin from the beginning by placing the Aryans outside of India rather than being an indigenous people living thousands of years in India as so many Indian scholars believe. It is a fact that the Avesta places a home for the Aryans who sojourned outside India, which they called Airyana Vaejah or Aryan Homeland. The Aryans came through the Northwest of what is now today the state of Pakistan. That old natural pass called the Khyber. This same pass was used by different conquerors to conquer India in later times. This is a northwest route , not an east or west or south route and you can see from the geographical map where the Aryans forded and settled for a time calling it the Saptasindhu of which Five Rivers of the area were Shutudri called the Sutlej, the Vipasha or Vipash now called the Beas, the Parushini now called the Ravi, the Vitasta now called the Jhelum. Two main rivers were added called the Indus or Sindhu and the Sarasvati making it the Seven Rivers. The following points shows why the Aryans are intruders to India.
a) Despite, the writings and articles of Indian historians, archaeologists and Internet writers, these are the only rivers other than the Ganga and Yamuna mentioned in the Vedas. If the Aryans were indigenous people, why didn't they mention the Kaveri, the Krishna, the Bhima, the Godavari, the Narmada, the Chambal and the others?
b) Why didn't they mention all the other civilizations such as the Indus, and those of Southern India etc?
c) Some may have noticed that the Vedas descriptions of their life and society only is confined to the northwest of India. There is no mention of areas of Bengal, Tamil Nadu or Maharastra and other areas.
d) Do the historical departments of India and other such cultural organizations have the names of the original rivers , because these are mostly Rigvedic names. If the Harappans occupied the Indus civilizations for so long, surely they must have names for these rivers.
This is the only way the Aryans could have come into India and that is through the Khyber Pass between the borders of Afghanistan and Pakistan. If you look closely at the geographical map of the region, the SaptaSindhu area with all the headwaters of the seven rivers draining from the Siwalk and Himalayan mountains , and here is where the Aryans first come into India and Afghanistan with the rivers Kubha, Gomati and Krumu. It formed part of the culture of the Swat region with the rivers Suvastu, Gauri, Kusava and Trstama. The Swat culture is the first settlement or region occupied by the Aryans. If anyone whether it be Talageri or other revisionists who believe that the Aryans migrated out of India or that they were indigenous, is without archaeological foundation. Unlike the AIT theory which has some trace of Aryan intrusion into India, the OIT theory has not a single iota or fragment or sliver of any archaeological attestation of such a venture. In his book, ( The Rigveda, A Historical Analysis. Page 83 Internet Publication) Talageri writes :
that the evidence of the hymns of the Early Period of the Rigveda, as we have already
seen locates the Indo-Iranians further east: i.e in the area from (and including) Uttar Pradesh in the east to (and including) the Punjab in the west. It is not , therefore, Central Asia, but India, which is the original area from which the Iranians migrated to their later historical habitats.
The only thing wrong with the Talageri proposal is that the Iranians and Indo-Aryans had already separated from each other. The Indo-Aryans came into the Swat area thence to the Indus civilization. Most probably it was in Afghanistan that the Iranians branched off from the Indo-Aryans as the Aryans came into the Swat area. There they established their culture, bringing the first horse to India. Make no mistake the Iranians knew about the Seven Rivers area since they mentioned it in their Avesta book. Talager's book as well as others are now outdated with the new discoveries on the Russian steppes of Central Asia. The archaeological sites of horses, chariots over a vast area are what now archaeologists and historians are now confirming are Indo-Iranians origins and recently the startling discovery on one of these sites of a human figure with a horse's head as exactly written in the RV reveals one important thing. That it was an incident that occured during the former life and travels of the Aryans on their way to India. Treated as a myth and dismissed by some as such, it revealed the former home and culture of the Aryans and legend had become fact.
The article written by Brigadier Kaul Rattan Online called (Aryan Sarasvat Brahmin of Kashmir) states the following on the location of the early Aryans in India as they intruded into the subcontinent. He states:
Bharatvarsha was the ancient name for the geographical area South of the Indus
(Sindhu) extending from the Northern to Central Bharatvarsha (Hindustan) including.
geographical limits of Kashmir, East to the Western Sea and bounded on the North
and South by the Himalaya/ Hindukush/ Sindhu and Vindhya mountains
respectively.
Perhaps Talageri would like to explain what the Iranians were doing in India since they were supposed to be on their way to Persia to colonize that country. The earliest hymns reveal that the Aryans were traversing the foothills of the Siwalk and the headwaters of the Seven Rivers. That comes from Book 2 the oldest of the Aryan hymns. It is logical that the oldest hymns which contain the earliest travels of the Aryans is factual and uncontested and that early journey ended in the Swat culture in northwest India. From here at Pirak, was discovered the remains of the first horse and cremation, a custom and innovation never before experienced in India. It is baffling that Indian historians and writers continue to argue for an Aryan Indus when the evidence reveals that the Indus people practiced an Afro-Austric custom of inhumation whilst the new intrusion of a new people reveals the IE rite of cremation.
The Cemetery H Culture. This culture is the next stage of the continuation occupation of India from which the culture takes its name, area H at Harappa.This culture developed out of the northern part of the Punjab Seven Rivers system and occurs around the last stage of the Late Harappan civilization. or Localisation Era. The revisionists familiar writings of a continuity of civilization and ethnic biological theory is that the Aryans mixed and assimilated with the inhabitants which is expected and thus the skeletons discovered does not necessarily mean that the inhabitants are foreigners. The distinguishing features of this civilization are:
1) The use of cremation of human remains.
2) Expansion of settlements into the east.
3) Rice became the staple diet.
4) Urn burials which indicated the presence of a new people.
Here in this northwestern area of the Saptasindhu of India, the new intrusive people called the Aryans founded two cultures the Swat and Cemetery H still hugging the vast riverine system dominated by the Indus and Sarasvati, rivers which they worshipped in the Vedas. The Aryans spent a short sojourn in Afghanistan where they began to compose the Vedas and this is evidenced by the mention of the Kubha and Krumu rivers in the Vedas. Some historians say that there is no archaeological evidence that the Aryans but these rivers do flow into the Indus and left the name of Aryana, the Vedic name they gave to Afghanistan. Some sources believe that Harappan archaeology and Vedic are the same maybe so because the Aryans dominated and ruled the day. There is no such thing as Vedic Harappans. Why? The Harappans are a different people as well as their civilization for theirs are Dravidian in origin and did not practice the cultural rites and customs until it was imposed on them. Harappa was an Indus city built by an indigenous people of India. Historians cannot prove that the city of Harappa owned horses and chariots before the advent of the Aryans. How more foreign can one get?
Looking at the map of the SaptaSindhu with its riverine system I sometimes wonder why the Aryans chose that area to make their first settlements. Of all the places in India why did the Aryans chose to come here? Why this particular northwestern area? What routes did they follow? Why not any other area of India, say in Bengal or south in Tamil Nadu? Perhaps there are some solid reasons why they did choose this northwestern part of India due to easy access and that one easy access was the Khyber Pass which is the only available pass in the area. The Khyber Pass opens up to the vast plains of the Pontic region which in turn leads to the steppes of the huge Russian grasslands. A glance at the map shows that it is the only logical route from the Sintashta/ Androvono burial sites. How did they hear of the SaptaSindhu with its fertile alluvial valleys and plains? Perhaps by accident they did happen onto the subcontinent or it is possible that these northern tribes heard of the rich empires of the south and came for its booty. Indeed , they came as freebooters. The south with its prosperous empires were attractive targets for these nomads. If the Aryans are an indigenous people , why did they just develop in the northwestern corner of India alone and not in other parts of India? Why are the other tribal peoples of India silent in their chronicles of their presence in their midst? All these considerations only point to their foreign nature and customs which is quite different from those indigenous tribes already living in India. The Aryans most likely came from the Mittani territories which is the general opinion of experts who reject the possibility that they came from the Indian subcontinent. Their association with the horse, fire cult and worship, cremation and the worship and resemblances of gods similar to IE and Greek gods points to an outside migration and not an indigenous one.
Time and again the readers and followers of revisionist scholars question the presence of the Aryans in India and seem baffled that a nomadic people as they should produce such a brilliant religious doctrine and language. This is nothing new since skeptics of all colors are found in all disciplines and studies of history , the arts and other such academic fields. Well, the Indus people did produce an astonishing civilization far in advance of its time and very modern and exquisitely built in retrospect to its time and people. The Indus people are Stone Age people using more or less primitive stone tools, and yet they produced something of value remarkable for such an age traded, maintained it and also produced or invented writing without attending scholastic classes. Thus, they used their intelligence and wit to match their brilliance, a remarkable achievement for a people still living in the mists of antiquity. They proved that the Age does not matter but the ability to imagine and to comprehend what to do with the tools at hand and those were very primitive tools so to speak.
Yet the readers and revisionist followers never seem to question the Indus civilization and its achievements but in most Internet articles and publications , they question the Aryans' ability to produce such religious hymns and near perfect language. These readers can't believe or don't want to believe that the Aryans composed and wrote down such beautiful verses for religious purposes in a matter of centuries. So why can't they? The Indus people used their imagination and resources to build a civilization out of the mists of antiquity. Then, why can't the Aryans despite being nomads gave India its great religious legacy so too did the Prophet Mohamed gave Arabia , Islam and they were all nomads on the move.
The Aryans after they entered Afghanistan began to compose the Vedas and from the moment they left Afghanistan , for India they continue to compose the verses of the Vedas. The method they used , they were masters at. They chanted everything from memory led by the Artharvans, the high priests. Chanting the Vedas for thousands of years is the method the Rigvedic Aryans used to preserve their legacy. Yes, for those readers who doubt that the Aryans could not have created such beautiful poetry whilst on the move , that is the method they used. They committed it to memory. They used their ability and natural human recources even though they were nomads just like the nomads coming out of the sands of Arabia. Those Indian doubters should be aware of this since this legacy were passed down to them from their forefathers. The rivers they encountered in India from the headwaters of the mountains they named and having known the Sarasvati in Afghanistan , they gave the Sarasvati its name. As the river began to dry up the name remained in the Vedas simply because it was taboo to change the sacred hymns. And this brings us to the area already dominated by the Aryans. The oldest books of the Vedas which contain the early intrusion of the Aryans contain one natural phenomena which seemed to have bedeviled the Aryans as they struggled to make a living in the Seven Rivers area. And that is the rampaging floods that they wrote so much about India's raging rivers pumped up by the Monsoons every year are mentioned by the Aryans. Here are a few from Bk 2 alone:
Book 2 Hymn V11 Verse 3 through streaming water floods.
X I Verse 2 floods great and many
XII Verse 12 Seven great floods to flow at pleasure
XIII Verse 1 rapidly the floods wherein it grows
XIII Verse 12 Turviti heldest still the flowing floods
XV Verse 5 the mighty roaring flood he stayed from flowing
XIX Verse 3 sent forth the flood of waters to the ocean
XXI Verse 5 from him who speeds the flood
XXV Verse 3 He, mighty like a raving billowy flood
XXXV Verse 3 Some floods unite themselves, On every side the bright
floods have encompassed
Book 3 Hymn 1 Verse 4 Him , Blessed One, the Seven strong Floods
LIII Verse 9 ... restrained the billowy river etc
With the above , one can imagine the conditions and wild landscape , huge raging rivers and deep forested jungle and craggy mountains and fertile plains that the Aryans enountered in the land of the Seven Rivers. The constant stream of overflowing rivers and raging tides and flooding the land must have tested the faith of these people. The monsoons of India must have created havoc with the beliefs of the Aryans since these heavy downpours flooded the land and the rivers making them deadly, especially the Indus and the Sarasvati. In parts the Sarasvati must dried up during the years but the monsoons torrential downpours which is phenomenal and extensive surely would have created awe in the world of the Aryans. The Sarasvati's name was transferred to this great river in India for as the people of the Indus disappeared from history, the newly intrusive Aryans must have applied the name to the river. With the fall and decline of the Indus civilization , the river which probably had a name was unknown to the newly arrived Aryans and so they gave it the name of Sarasvati, which they knew in Afghanistan. I have read somewhere that revisionist Frawley once said that it was not possible that the Aryans could have brought horse and chariots to the northwest of India. Well, they did and the earliest books from 2--7 is full of horses and chariots. The northwest of India also contain fertile which would have accommodate horses and chariots and Frawley's et al have sought to disinform readers and supporters of the migration theory that the horses and chariots mentioned in the Vedas were symbolic connected with their religion. How come the Aryans of the Tarim basin used chariots and horses to occupy parts of this area surrounded by rugged mountains and built a civilization? But that is another matter. Despite, being troubled by rising flood waters, monsoons, cold weather, the Aryans continue to invoke their most popular god Indra to help them fight off enemies and foul weather. Time and again Indra is called upon to help Aryan prayers to persevere and we divert here for a moment for a chronology of the prehistoric Aryan origin. The ridiculous Frawley et al theory of an indigenous Indus Aryan civilization does not have any foundation whatsoever. Lets begin with the Vedas and the Avesta. Vedas means Vedic Hymns so too do the Zend Avesta. which implies or stipulates that the Indo-Aryans and the Iranians were one people living somewhere before in an ancient homeland. This suggests :
a) They are new nomadic tribes to the subcontinent.
b) The lifestyles of the Vedas and the Avesta are the same
c) They shared the same language, customs, rites, etc.
d) They used the same technology such as horses and chariots, which was
unknown at that time in the region.
e) They worshipped the same gods and both religions were alike in their
formative stages.
f) They belong to the same IE family of languages and ethnicity etc.
g) Scanning the pages of the Vedas and Avesta in detail exposes the fact that
the people does not have any knowledge of a vast subcontinent.
h) Their immediate geography is limited to certain areas and there is no
knowledge of other parts of India in that earliest period.
i) The presence of names of areas and rivers in Afghanistan reveals that they
knew the geography of the country and is the only other country they knew.
j) Whereas, the Indus people knew of other countries such as Sumer,
Mesopotamia, Dilmun, Magan, and some Arabian countries.
k) There is not mention or knowledge of the above mentioned countries in the
Vedas or the Avesta.
l) We can compare the invasion of the Aryans like the migratory methods of the
Mexicans to the US, the only difference is the Aryans took over India.
m) The Aryans had to come from somewhere , they just could not have
evolved from the vast subcontinent. There is no evidence to support
that, especially in the south, where the population is very much darker
than those in the north. It is reasonable that if the Aryans were in India
for thousands of years, interbreeding would have produced a uniform
white skinned or fair skinned nation. America is only two hundred years
old and the Black population is turning white skinned already. With its
thousands of years of history, one can imagine India would be like.
n) The Aryans who tarried in the north and northwest for thousands of years
were a segregated lot and very clannish. To make it worse their caste
system for a while preserved their color. So we can see that the north
bore the brunt of the migration as they assimilated.
o) The Androvono, BMAC and other cultures smacks of the strong smell of an Indo-
Iranian origin with its vast burial and cremation sites of horses, chariots, wheels
and other practices mentioned in the Vedas. The Dadhanyac horse head legend
now brought back to life with its discovery on the steppes of Russia. The burial
relics associated with this cultures fits nicely with IE customs and rites and
the migration route from the shores of the Black Sea to the Hindukush to the
Swat culture and the only mention of a foreign country called Afghanistan. The
Aryans knew the Kubha river and others. The Swat culture is the most
likely locus of the earliest IE presence east of the Hindus Kush of the bearers of
the Rigvedic culture (Wikipedia Page 5 Textual References.Internet Article)
p) The Aryans in the Vedas have not mentioned any knowledge of being familiar
with any people or tribes or their customs to suggest a past habitation.
q) As proven outsiders and the clinching evidence that the Aryans were that is the
evidence portrayed by the Swat Culture. Here there is a major change in the
Swat Valley with the introduction of new ceramics, burial sites and cremation
remains in urns which is a custom of the early Vedic people from the Sapta
Sindhu which is reminiscent of the Trojan cremation urns. IE people are known
to practice this custom and not people descended from Afro-Austric lineage.
Then, there are horse burials and trappings. Do the revisionists accept this?
Thus, attempts of proponents of continuity to portray the Rigvedic culture as
native to the subcontinent, such as identification of horses and chariots in the
Indus art have little or not acceptance from Indologists. (Horse and chariot,
Page 11 Wikipedia. Internet Article)
r) For those who like to quote the Nadistuti Sukta and its praise of rivers to base
their argument for an indigenous Aryan civilization, should look again. The sages
who compiled this list, suggests that the Aryans only knew these rivers in
northwest India and Afghanistan. Nothing here suggests a hinterland geographic
knowledge of the rest of the subcontinent.
The migration into India as shown above is ironclad and I will now go on to change topic and
make a few comments here on the supposed theory of the Out of India model as presented by Mr. Elst's emerging model as presented in Wikipedia page 3. Internet Article.
Mr. Koenraad Elst writes:
The Out of India theory as suggested by him holds that the Indo-Iranians were
remnants of the Proto-Indo Europeans culture that resided with the Indian
subcontinent in the 5th millennium BC. After the split of the Proto-Indo-
Iranians. The Iranians would have migrated towards the Hindu Kush and
eventually towards the Central Asia making their discovery of the chariot during
this period.
I am amused by his speculation which also include a map showing his theory how the
PIE language spread from the Indus Valley outwards from India! Mr. Elst and his colleagues still believe in an Aryan Indus and and indigenous IE civilization of India and that it spreaded outwards despite the lack of convincing evidence of habitation, custom, rites etc that these people supposed to have left behind in Indian burial sites such as horses, chariots, pottery language etc. Mr. Elst's emerging model is weak and has no foundation. Lets see:
According to Mr. Elst a very highly educated and disciplined person in this craft, believed that the PIE originated in the Indus, that the Aryans left India to discover the chariot in Asia and spread the language in Europe etc. Then,
a) How can a people of India migrated outside to Asia to discover the chariot,
when 6,000 years ago the sites of the Russian steppes such as Sintashta and
Petrovka and Kazakhstan were already buried in their burnt graves?
b) If and when they got back to India why are there no evidence of horse burials
or evidence of of chariot usage in India before the advent of the Aryans?
c) Why did they not have evidence of the use of the horse and chariot in the
Indus which is a complete blank in its archaeological sites. Did they come
to India and used the horse and chariot excluding the Indus?
d) How can PIE originate from the Indus civilization when the seals and script
does not represent a spoken language per se?
e) New analysis of material from the graves from this area shows that these
chariots were built more than 4000 years ago , strengthening their case
for their origin in the steppes rather than the Middle East. ( Remaking the
Wheel-Evolution of the Chariot. Science Times Book of Archaeology. NY
Edited by Nicholas Wade 1999. by John Noble Wilford 1994)
Poor Mr. Elst et al , they cannot seem to account properly for the absence of the horse
and chariot at the Indus, hence an OIT. This subject of the horse and chariot has thrown
their axis out of tilt and they can't seem to get it straight.
I'd like to make a point on the subject of horses to those who believe that the Indus was a center for horse breeding from the inception of the Indus civilization circa 3500BC. Indian historians and some archaeologists have written a host of articles of horses at the Indus and reported findings of bones and remains. Also, we hear how the Indus empire was far flung in its trading with other nations such as Sumer, Mesopotamia and Arab lands. We read of the vast trading commerce of the Indus people with their sailing ships and we read of the products they traded with other people. Also , most of the Indian writers and historians state how vast deposits of horse bones are found in most Indus cities. If all this is true , then why in the trading documents are there no mention of horse trading of Indus ships with the other nations? Where are the detailed descriptions of the color of the horse, the breed of the horse etc in the trading lists of the Indus traders? Where are the parts of the chariots that was traded from the Indus to other cities and civilizations? Why are there no details of horse trading from the other lands , especially from the Arabs? How is it that the Indus ALONE possessed the horse from 3500BC, and no other civilization or city has no textual evidence of its presence within that time? The Indus was indeed overflowing with bones, asses and onagers. The Indus civilization drew on an inexhausted supply of asses and onagers from the Rann Of Kutch where the ass is known as khurs. This is where the Indus people derived the source of their transport , because the Rann OF Kutch was overflowing with asses and onagers and they were used for transport, pack animals, dray carts along with the oxen and bulls. Even today the area still depends on the Rann Of Kutch for its pack animals. So the Indian historians and archaeologists should stop looking in every nook and cranny of the Indus for horses. They didn't exist. If any Indian archaeologist or historian could find any textual evidence that the Indus traded in horses with their neighbors , I'd recommend him for a Nobel Peace Prize. Indian scholars and historians who fervently believe in an Aryan Indus love to include in their books and pieces supposed evidence of horse bones, remains and fauna in the cities and sites of the ancient Indus. But none so far can prove that evidence exists that the Indus possessed this technology and as I have said above that if the Indus people knew this animal , they would have left evidence of horse trading in those ancient times. It is amazing that several historians and scholars give glowing accounts of reasons why the Indus is of Aryan origin but omits the main animal-- the horse and worse yet go into detail about Indus trade and yet cannot produce attestation of horse trading. Every conceivable item, article and artifact is detailed for the trade industry for the Indus but the trade in horses is missing. Dr. Subhash Kak, a devotee of Aryan Indus in his article: "Vedic Elements In the Ancient Iranian Religion of Zarathushtra" ( Pages 51-56) makes a comparison of the two religions but ominiously leaves out the horse and chariot but includes the cow. This is cynical of the writings of historical revisionists who write and publish articles as the true history of India arguing for an Aryan Indus but omits the horse and chariot. This kind of argument never clinches their theories. Or if they do mention the horse and chariot, they rely on the false layer of deposits of ass bones found in the Indus as evidence of the animal's existence. A horse rich Aryan Indus existing from 3500BC should leave us and archaeologists a vast amount of remains of a horse culture, a culture of attestation which should exhibit the training and breeding of horses, textual evidence of horse management, use of the horse as a mode of transport or for martial purposes and written documents of horse trade with the surrounding empires. None of this is available in the ruins of the Indus and while the Aryans and Trojans are superb examples of horse breeding, of which the evidence attests to this, the Indus are not known to have seen a horse and therefore are not horse breeders. There is no pictorial evidence of interaction or integration of the horse and chariot in the evidence produced so far in the Indus. There are no seals or scripts attesting to people of the Indus driving chariots pulled by horses as we have seen in other societies. If any animals were used in the Indus civilization , they were amply supplied by the limitless herds of asses and onagers roaming the Rann Of Kutch, known as khurs. As G.L Possehl the archaeologist said,
"As far as I can tell, there are lots of asses documented at the Indus
settlements , but not domestic horses."
Who else can be more right? All this has been confirmed by Meadow and Kenoyer the two leading archaeologists in the Indus excavations and most times they are irritated by the revisionist scholars whose enthusiasm carries they them away. This is what the various Hindunet articles are trying to suggest that the donkey carts of the Indus is a point of origin for the development of lightly rolling war chariots of the Vedas. They are employing lexemes, morphemes, phonemes and various other subtle ingenuous and insidious word building in these articles in order to fit the Aryans war machine for an Aryan Indus society when the archaeological evidence does not produce such a picture. Other internet articles state that:
Carts were pulled by oxen and asses in Sumeria between 3000 and 2750 BC
By the time of the Copper Age , 3000BC solid wheels and axles were used.
There are records of two four wheeled carts pulled by oxen and asses in
Sumeria and Mesopotamia between the above date. Also many model carts
have been dug up. (www. Techitouk.com)
The King of Sumer rides out in cart pulled by 4 donkeys for war.
(www.answerbag.com)
If the reader notices , these are the same time period which so called horse bones are found in the Indus and this brings up the following questions , which I am sure no historian or scholar of a revisionist nature will attempt to answer.
a) If there was an Aryan indigenous civilization with the above dates, where are the
cremation sites or urns from this time period? The Trojan civilization produced
cremation sites and urns from this early period.
b) Why is there no evidence of a deep and vast horse culture in the Indus?
c) Why are there no remains of sacrifice and buried chariots which is the custom of
Aryan people?
d) If the Aryans were indigenous to India why is there an absence of such
documentation in the texts and chronicles of other neighboring clans and tribes?
e) Why is there only mention of cremation in the Vedas and not in other
chronicles?
f) Why is there only mention of horse sacrifice only in the Vedas and not in other
chronicles of the other people?
g) Most important of all, how can the Indus possess horses in a vaccum at a time
when other empires did not have them? Did the Indus alone have them? If so
why are there no evidence of trade?
I once posed this question to Mr. Elst about the question of evidence of horse trade from the Indus with their neighbors. His answer was not satisfactory nor was his attitude conducive to me in his reply. The trading of horses as an industry or occupation in the Indus is non-existent and revisionist writers bask in the glory of the greatness of the Indus in their trading relations with their neighbors. Dozens of books , articles and publications are devoted to the huge trading industry of the Indus with the distant empires and cities in faraway lands. We also read about the Indus people , especially sailors and merchants and traders lived in Sumer, Mesopotamia and other foreign lands and carried on trade with their counterparts. This is the time period that where most revisionist theories date the supposedly Aryan Indus from 3500BC to 2700BC in which horse remains and bones are plentiful in the Indus cities from Ropar in the north to Surkotada down south.and even further. Then there is the familiar terracota finds of horse figurines and such things that some archaeologists and historians label as true findings of the existence of the horse at the Indus. Mr. Elst's long list of horse bones and remains is grand and convincing if one does not delve further into the history of the Indus. Here is a piece from the Internet dated July 9 2003. titled
Trade and Economics of the Indus: The Harappan Tradition.
A complex system of trade networks made the Harappans rich and guaranteed
access to exotic goods. Internal networks moved every imaginable good throughout
the Civilization. Shell, dried fish, and pearls from the coast; copper, tin, chert,
precious metals and semiprecious stone from the hill country, and grain, animals,
and wood from the rural areas flowed from one area to another, resulting in a
nearly homogenous distribution of goods across the face of the civilization irrespective
of origin. Networks extended into Central Asia, Mesopotamia, and the Arabian
Peninsula. These networks exported every good and luxury available in the
Harappan Civilization. It is unclear what was being imported, but it is likely to be
wool , fish and grain.
Subsistence and Trade
Subsistence and trade settlements lay on the flood plains of the Indus and Gha
riverss, where fertile land was annually refreshed by innundation. Recent research
has shown wheat, barley, pulses, millets, fibers/ oilseed, melons ,coucumbers,
squashes , and water buffalo, goat and sheep provided animal products.Floodplains
lack raw materials, urban economies provided surplus for exchange to oil. Kenoyer
proposed a series of trade or resource routes linking the urbanized centers with
areas of lapis lazulli, carnelian, steatite, shells, chert, tin, copper and gold. These
materials processed were redistributed within the Indus region and the surplus was
traded to the Persian Gulf states as far as Elam and Mesopotamia.
(Welcome to the Human Past Page 5&6 Internet Article 12/14/06)
I will now continue with the Indus and its trading partners from the Internet article which is quite a thick document and has the following headlines. Of course, I am only extending the discoveries of the trade of the Indus and the neighboring cites and empires. I am doing this to point out a few instances where trade is claimed by the authors of this document dated 12/5/06 and has three separate titles. This will show precisely what was traded for the three different regions. viz:
Central Asia, Mesopotamia and Sarasvati Sindhu civilization
Sarasvati Sindhu civilization is one tip of the triangle linking
with the Central Asian and Mesopotamian cultural areas.
Bactrian - Margian - Archaeological - Complex BMAC
From Bactria peculiarly the article does not say that trade was done with the Indus and the author assumed that,
" there is every ground to assume the dissemination from it of metal-works (celts, daggers,
pins) and specific forms of earthenware (stemmed vases, saucers etc) in the eastern
direction down to the valley of the Indus, by way of exchange, trade and cultural
contacts. This period embraces the existence of the Harappan civilization and does
not presuppose the arrival of new tribes. This is strikingly proved by the Harappa
culture itself, which demonstrates a continuous line of development without any
invasions from outside. We shall merely remark that southwestern Iran and possibly
Caucasus emerge as a zpne where numerous metal articles come to be produced(mid
2nd millennium BC) while Iranian Khorassan is doubtlessly the main venue for their
penetration into the southern areas of central Asia, Bactria and possibly the valley of
the Indus.
(Viktor I. Sarianidi, 1979, New Finds in Bactria and Indo-Iranian Connections, pp 643-659, South Asian Archaeology 1977, Naples)
The above information as I said looks peculiar to me. Here we have an assume trading of goods between BMAC region, Iran, and the Caucasus in the 2nd Millennium and only the mention of metal articles are noted for trade. This region is famous for horses because this is where the Aryans came down from the Black Sea area
The Horse in Sarasvati Sindhu Civilization
States dating Tepe Hissar IIIB a little before 2000 BC ... skull of horse found and
furthermore the horse is alleged to have been domesticated at Sha Tepe much
earlier still thus anticipating it appearance at Boghazkoy in Central Asia Minor in the
Hittite period.....
What does this tell you? The theme running through this paragraph is that the skull is found at Hissar IIIB and domesticated at Shah Tepe says just that and nothing else. It does not say anything about the Indus. It does not connect the Indus with ShahTepe nor does it say that the horse was known at the Indus. The next few paragraphs from:
AK Sharma, The Harappan horse was buried under the dunes of ... in
Puratattva.....In the Harrapan levels over here have been found clearly
identifiable terracota figurines of this animal.
(Pages 3,4,5 and 6.Mackay FEM , MEL Mellowan 1965 Early Mesopotamian and
Iran, London Thames and Hudson p. 123
Vol 1, page 289, Ak Sharma, Bulletin of the Indian Archaeological Society No 23,
1992-93 pp. 30-34, Mackay FEM Vol 1 p 289 Wheeler Indus Civilization 1968
p. 92 Cambridge. Prof. S Bokonyl, Director Archaeological Institute Budapest 13
Dec 1993 , Dr Joshi,. Archaeological Survey of India, S. Rao, and B Nauth of
the Zoological Survey of India 1985 p. 641, Lal, 1998 p. 112 , Gupta 1979,
Vol. 2
The professional names quoted above have put their signature and approval to the supposed horse finds at Surkotada, Mohenjodaro, Kolidhwa, Mahagara, Kachchha, northern
Baluchistan, Lothal, Nausharo, and other areas. The carbon dating for these finds are from 3500 BC to 2315 BC and further down. Finds include supposedly, teeth, bones of true horse, terracota figurines, upper and lower cheek, incisors and phalanges or to bones, intermaxilla fragment , crib biting, faunal remains, cheek teeth, spur or protocone and upper molars of these supposed horses. What a find! Now, let us for argument sake say that all these finds are true, then we can come to only one conclusion and that is the following:
a) Why aren't there evidence of horse trade with the neighbors ot the Indus?
b) The bloody place seemed to be overrunning with horses and yet we can't
find one engraving or etching on the seals and script. Why?
c) How come the Indus have so many horses and her neighbors don't have no
evidence of trading in horses, no documentation to attest to this activity with
the Indus.
d) Horse trade among IE people is a lucrative trade but the supposed Aryan
Indus seem to be bereft of this activity. Wht?
e) It appears that all the experts who contributed to this article cannot seem to
tell the difference between asses, onagers and half asses and the true
horse.
f) None of the trading partners as far as the Arabian lands have no evidence
that they possessed the horse during this period of 3500 BC and 2700BC
g) All the Internet articles written by the revisionists only allude to finds of
horse bones for a particular area and not directly to the Indus civilization.
None of the articles proves that direct horse bones and remains have been
found at the Indus.
h) Most likely and the only area which supplied the Indus and its partners with
the ass , onager and half assses was from the great resource of the Rann of
Kutch, on which great herds of these animals grazed. This is the area where
the asses came from to supply the transport industry. Also, find a few horse
bones, if they are true horse bones ,does not make the the Indus Aryan. This
was a prized animal of the Aryans and highly valued, traded, breeded and
worshipped and cared for. We see nothing of this in the history of the Indus.
I see nothing in the seals or scripts saying or describing a horse, its breed, its
uses or indications that the horse was used at the Indus.
The Rigvedas is replete with horses and for those who still maintain that the Indus civilization is Aryan, here are a few examples of Aryan knowledge of horse breeding:
BOOK HYMN TITLE VERSE DESCRIPTION
2 1 Agni 5 givest noble steeds
2 1 Agni 16 with kine and steeds
2 2 Agni 10 valor with the steed
2 2 Agni 13 kine and steeds
2 10 Agni 2 dark steeds or ruddy
2 11 Indra 6 two Bay steeds
2 11 Indra 11 Indra, thy Bay steeds
2 18 Indra 18 thy two Bay Coursers
3 7 2 heaven hath Mares
3 35 Indra 3 Tawny Horses
3 36 Indra 9 Lord of the Tawny Coursers
3 42 Indra 7 by thy Stallions
3 43 Indra 4 let thy two Bay Stallions
3 44 Indra 2&4 Lord of Tawny Steeds
3 30 Indra 2 with thy Bay horses
3 43 Indra 23 a sluggish steed men run not with the
Parvata the courser, nor ever lead an ass before
a charger.
5 53/64 Maruts 3&9 They came with winged steeds
Asvins with your winged steeds
5 56 Maruts 6 the bright red mares
5 59 Maruts 5 like steeds of ruddy color
The Aryans were super horsebreeders and they knew it like the back of their hands the categories of horses that they used for transport and war, there was the Bays, the Coursers, the mares, the stallions and the steeds chargers They also knew flying horses which connect them with their Greek cousins with Pegasus etc. Can a supposedly Aryan
Indus civilization have any evidence to show that they knew such details about horses? Not likely. So why do the revisionists still cling to the sterile imagination of an Aryan Indus when such details of an animal was not in their conception of an Aryan Indus? Where can one find such detail about horses in Elst's supposedly Aryan Indus? All this is followed in the Vedas of details of the intricate part of the chariot which again is not found in the seals and script of the Indus. If the Indus knew the horse I still fail to see any evidence of detailed inscriptions or documents that they were familiar with the subject. The seals are blank as well as the script and this idea of an Aryan Indus is a very strange vision that has gripped the revisionists and every article and book they write has this idea as a background story. The Indus civilization do not only has to prove that the horse existed there but has to show further attestation of its presence. And that brings me to the most important concept of its presence in the Indus which is two fold.
1) The revisionists will have to show its interactive role in the daily lives of the
people.
2) The revisionists will have to show evidence that the animal was an
integrative part of its civilization.
The Indus civilization had the necessary resources to leave evidence that they were familiar with the horse as an integrated factor of their society. Since its discovery site after site has shown nothing that could tell archaeologists that the horse was as integrated as the other animals such as the oxen and bullock and asses. There are plenty of asses , onagers and half asses as GL Possehl says but no evidence of the domesticated horse. None of the discoveries has exposed the real form of the horse or nary a close resemblance. That has gotten as far as the onager which are being mistaken for the real thing. The walls of the buildings also , unlike the Egyptian walls and tombs contain absolutely no etchings, paintings, carvings etc of the true horse. These people could write and it is strange that they never left us any image of the horse in their society. Therefore, one can only come to the conclusion that the horse was not a familiar sight in the eyes and knowledge of the Indus people. There are no references to the animal in the Indus society nor in its belief system or religion if any existed. From day one the archaeologists have been digging up the bones of oxen , asses , bullocks , onagers and half asses which was plentiful at the Rann Of Kutch and from where the Indus people solicited these animals. But nothing that points to the presence of horses has ever been found and they realized that the absence of a horse culture and its trappings was not there. The other part of this concept is the interactive side of the equation. Other civilizations have illustrated how they interacted with their animals but this too is absent from the Indus. There are no carvings, illustrations, seals and other such graphic themes that would tell us that the Indus people was using this animal for transport purposes , war, travel or for royal journeys as is done in other societies who knew it. This is understandable in that the horse did not reach the Stone Age societies of these civilizations at this time in antiquity. We see no drawings of the Indus people riding horses or references to it, no seals containing imprints of its form nor of its people driving chariots pulled by horses. All this is absent as well as the absence of stables and stalls for the animals and workshops to care for the vehicles and animals. Horses need a special kind of care , they have to be well fed, groomed, medically fit, trained and a host of other things. It is a point well taken that had horses existed at the Indus , they would certainly would have had horse trade with the other cities and empires but this too is absent, quite the opposite to the superb Aryan horse breeders and trainers. Nowhere are there any evidence that the traders indulged in this practice and there are no reference to the different kinds of horse breeds which is the first important thing a horse trader looks for. No documentation exists on this subject. Indus society has no reference in its daily lifestyle that point to the animal was interacting with their lives.
People who want to change the history of India, must not only do away with something they find offensive or repugnant , but they must replace it with something of value and authentic. An Aryan Indus is not authentic nor is it being replaced with something of value. It is being replaced bya lie. But alas, other than the scholars and historians who really believe in an Aryan Indus , there are others who follow their misguided paths based on their wrong assumptions and mistaken history of India. Other than the history of the Vedas, the geography of the Rigveda is also under fire to suit the claims of those who advocate the Aryan Indus theory. And that is what it will remain a theory.
I now refer Mr. R Goel's " Geography of the Rigveda" published on the Internet on 17/2/03 where he attempted to convince his readers that the Aryans of India are indigenous and that the Indus is Aryan. I personally think that it is an excellent attempt to prove the above but it has it flaws. For one, on page 15, he writes:
That the historical movement of the Vedic Aryans across the Sutudri
Vipas rivers at the time of Sudas, can only be a westward movement.
Now, why would the Vedic Aryans who is supposed to be indigenous to India stop in this area which contains the Cemetery H Culture? This Culture is described by Wikipedia.org on page 1 as the following:
The distinguishing features of this culture include:
a) The use of cremation of human remains. The bones were stored
in painted pottery burial urns. This is completely different to the
Indus civilization where bodies were buried in wooden coffins.
b) Reddish pottery , a completely different pottery to the Indus.
c) Expansion of settlements into the east. This is evidence in
contrast to Goel's east to west scenario. His scenario has
no attestation of such a movement.
d) The cultivation of rice as a crop by the Aryans who learned it
from the Indus people etc.
This is a classic example of the overlaying of a new culture over the old one and of course
the Aryans went through a process of assimilation, linguistic, cultural and political changes from the people they met from the Indus. Mr. Goel's article of Aryans coming from the interior has no foundation since he cannot provide textual attestation that this is so. Whereas, evidence can be provided that the Aryans did come into India and left their mark in the form of culture , cremation, religion and political apparatus etc. But the major flaw in his article is the omission of the horse in the section that he discusses the animals of the Vedas. From page 31, he began to cite the names of animals found in the Vedas and they are the elephant, the buffalo, the bison the peacock and the spotted deer. On page 33 he states:
Further, the names of these animals are purely Aryan Indo-European: the
elephant for example, has four names each of which has a purely Aryan
etymology.
All well and good , but what happened to the horse? Mr. Goel. It seems that you have either forgotten the horse, overlooked it deliberately or chose to ignore it completely. This is the same journalistic transgression most revisionist writers do for the above reason. It is fascinating to see some of them composing histories of India and more or less just devote a few lines to the horse and chariot or chose not to. Maybe I should bring it to the attention of Mr. Goel, if he hasn't noticed it already that his Rigvedic rivers are all confined to the north-west of India and he cannot provide any substantial evidence that the Aryans existed in an indigenous state in India. So if they did as he and other revisionists claim , then where are the attestation for this? Why are the revisionists only arguing for an Aryan Indus from the perspective of textual evidence from the Vedas, supposed evidence from the Indus, from the geography of the Vedic rivers, and not in return for evidence from other parts of India? Can Mr. Goel supply any evidence of Aryan indigenity for the following points?
a) Any concrete evidence of Aryan habitation in India that
can say that Aryans lived here?
b) Any attested sites of cremation and burial of Aryans before 1500BC
c) Remains of their pottery and artifacts.
d) Textual evidence of the supposed Aryan neighboring tribes that
can verify that Aryans once occupied the land before their
supposed migration out of India.
e) That horses and chariots existed in India before the advent of
the Aryans in 1500BC.
If Mr. Goel can provide these answers to the above then he has a case along Talageri et al. These writers and historians though they mean well, are screwed in their logic of trying to paint the Indus as Aryan. Their points of history of India is okay except for a few ideas that are flawed. One is that the Aryan Indus existed since 3500 BC and the other is the migration out of India. The other is the problem of the Sarasvati river and the other is the vexing one of the horse and chariot which has so far eluded them and thus making their theories outdated and impossible and illogical. First we will discuss the Sarasvati river which , since the satellite discovery of its disappearance has been jumped on by the historical writers who are using it to clinch their case to overthrow the Aryan occupation of India. We can see from the location of the Cemetery H civilization and settlements that the Aryans did not come from the East but from the north where they sojourned in Afghanistan. They had to be because Afghanistan ancient Aryan name is Arianna and this is an Aryan name and it is from this region where the Vedic people came from from their journey from Central Asia. One can believe that the rivers of the north-west of India were not named with their present names when the Indus civilization reigned supreme. What these people called the rivers we don't know. But where did the Aryans come up with the name Sarasvati? It only had to come from some river they knew before and when they came into India and saw the river it was already drying up or in it last stages. They called it Sarasvati nevertheless from the one they knew back in Afghanistan. But one may ask why then should they glorify a river with such praise and epithets when probably it does not deserve it. The only logical reason is two fold:
1 ) the Aryan custom of chanting and singing praises
2) the sacredness of the religion and the taboo of changing
words and religious articles of faith
This may sound far fetched but the Aryan custom of chanting praises and verses still exist today as deeply as ever in every facet of its religion. One must remember this is a time of antiquity , an age of deep religious faith, in which verses and certain words chanted in good faith cannot be changed with the snap of a finger and is resisted by the sages, bards and seers of the tradition. We see this even today in the exact measurement of the fire altars which still have the exact length and with from thousands of years, of which not an iota has been altered. Thus , when the Aryans were in Afghanistan the local river which they named Sarasvati were praised and this was written down in the Vedas thousands of years before but was chanted as the same and they knew that the one in India ran to the sea. Nevertheless, they applied the same chanting praise and epithets to it. Perhaps, the Indian Sarasvati still packed some power , since the seasonal monsoon rains and floods probably ravaged the land before it petered out. That is why the Vedas still has the written words because it was handed down thousands of years , exactly as it was first spoken by the priestly Brahmins so long ago. I do not think for one moment a religious people as the Aryans were would worship a completely dried out river with such praises nor anyone in their right minds. Now,we turn to Mr. Goel's theory of an east to west movement for indigenous Aryans of India which is all wrong for I will provide a chart grid to show why this is so viz:
F i r s t M e n t i o n O f S a r a s v a t i I n V e d a s
Name of Historian Earliest BK Hymn Verse Name First Mentioned Of
Witzel 2 41 16 Various Dieties Sarasvati
Revisionists 6 61 1 Sarasvati Sarasvati
F i r s t M e n t i o n O f H o r s e s I n V e d a s
Name of Historian Earliest BK Hymn Verse Name First Mentioned Of
Witzel 2 1 5 Agni Steeds or Horses
Revisionists 6 2 8 Agni Steeds or Horses
F i r s t M e n t i o n O f H o r s e s A n d S a r a s v a t i I n BK ONE
Earliest BK Hymn Verse Name
HORSES 1 3 6 Asvins
SARASVATI 1 3 11 Asvins
RIGVEDA BOOKS IN ORDER OF AGE
Oldest = 2---7
Most Recent = 9
Youngest = 1-- 10
In the above graph the reader will notice that BK 2 which is considered the oldest by Witzel, the Aryans first mention the horse and the river Sarasvati in contrast to that of the revisionist whose BK 6 , the Aryans mention of the horse and river Sarasvati is way down and later in their travels. An animal as important as the horse would be of the utmost importance to the warrior Aryans and would be quickly be in front of any skirmish and worshipped and mentioned in incantations and chantings. The quibble on the subject of horses and chariots, I don't think will end until the revisionists realize that any horse existence at the Indus civilization will have to be accompanied by trade by the Indus people with their surrounding Sumerian and Mesopotamian and Arab trading partners. The finds of terracota horse figuerines and other such resembled figures are close relatives of the horse such as asses, onagers and half asses. The Indus was not a horse breeding nor horse riding or driving society. In conclusion, the revisionists should take note that there is no evidence of interaction or integration of the horse and chariot with the people of this civilization as is shown in other societies as Egypt etc. Had it been so, we would have had a wealth of textual attestations, burial remains of horses, trashed artifacts of broken down chariots in the stables and workshops of the Indus. None of this is there , yet they keep coming with all kind of suggestions of bones discovery, remains etc. It is fascinating to see writers alluding to the Indus civilization as Aryan even though, it did not cremate its dead. Its entire society is based on a Dravidian basis and there is not one iota of its history resembling that of the warrior society of the Vedas. You got to read it to believe it.
I will touch briefly on several aspects of the invasion theory as rejected by the revisionists who now want to create an outward migration despite there is no evidence. At least, for the supposed invasion theory of the Aryans there is evidence that there was an incursion into India sometime in antiquity. Dr. Dinesh Agrawal in his internet article dated 10/28/06 on the "Demise of the Aryan Invasion Theory" states the following on page 6:
There is enough positive evidence in support of the religious rites
of the Harappans being similar to those of the Vedic Aryans. ...
indicating continuity and identity of Vedic culture with the
Indus Valley civilization.
I wonder if the Indus people were cremating their dead in their society for their loved ones. when they died. Did the Indus people when they married circled the fire seven times? Did the Indus people sacrificed the horse and gave libations to the gods? What is this continuity and culture did the Indus people maintain with present day ancestors of the Aryans? Come good doctor, can you expound or expand on the above questions. A close look at the two societies shows the gross differences between the two, one an urban and sedate and peaceful civilization and the other a nomadic warrior society always on the move and wherever they came from they left virtually no archaeological record during their journeys. Dr. Agrawal should know that the Indo-Iranians came from the Sintashta and Androvono sites which have proven their habitation there and the Avesta speaks of an Aryan Homeland. The Aryan Hindus probably did not see it proper to include their former homeland in the Vedas and other writings due to the fact that those lands was where they experienced hardships and struggle. The Avesta states this and at times in the Vedas we read of the Ancient Homeland , though no proper name has ever been given. In the case of the horse which has proven to be such a thorn in the sides of the revisionists and historians, Dr. Agrawal should be aware that those bones , if they are horse bones found at the Mature and Late Harappan are the remains of either asses or onagers or horses from the conquering Aryans. There is no attestation of the Indus people interacting with the horse or evidence of its integration in Indus society. Mr. Asko Parpola has stated over and over again that horses did not exist at the Indus and that the writings and seals of the Indus people are Dravidian in origin. Thus , the Indus is Dravidian for they did not practice Aryan customs in their society. They buried their dead. Only time will tell when the revisionists will have to accept the fact that the Indus is Dravidian. The Indus civilization is not a continuity of the Vedas. The Indo-Aryans and Iranians are one people and they both came from the same homeland as mentioned in the Avesta. Isn't that logical?
WeNow We now come to grips with that doyen of Out of India theory , Mr. Shrikant Talageri with his latest account of an Aryan migration to the Near East. Europe and beyond. A theory of migration involves the reason and circumstances why a people should migrate out of India , especially if there is enough food , plenty of land, resources for everyone , the painful separation of loved ones and a host of other inconviences involved with such an operation. This is a theory flung out by Talageri to give plausible cause and reason for the similarities between Sanskrit and the various European languages. For if there is no migration , how can Mr. Talageri explain as well as others such phenomena? Therefore at the behest , I presume of those in India, an outward outflow of Indians from India to various parts of the world would account for the similarities of Indian and European languages. Talageri in his book "The Rigveda, a Historical Analysis" states that the homeland of the Indo-Iranians is located: (Page 81 , The Indo-Iranian Homeland?
in the area stretching from and including Uttar Pradesh in the
east to and including southern and eastern Afghanistan in the west.
This is the area which represents the common Indo-Iranian homeland
(His italics)
Nice try but wrong and wrong again. In analyzing something like this especially the homeland of a people and nation , there are several factors that has to satisfy the writers and historians. Archaeologists will have to prove that habitation of the former occupiers are authentic and that their tools , implements and weapons that they had used were the same as the old ones discarded in the former habitation. For example, the sites of the Sintashta and a host of other areas , archaeologists have uncovered buried wheels and chariots of the same size and make, sacrifices of horses and others coincide with present practices etc. Is this the same case for the Aryans exodus from India? Did they emigrate with the same tools and weapons as those they left behind? Did they leave chronicles of writing behind that in the future would correlate with their language? Did they have a language when they migrated? As far as the record shows the Aryans before they set down in writing in Sanskrit , they chanted their words rites for thousands of years. Did they leave vestiges of lifestyle in India of their society and can this be found? What part of India did they live and who were their closest neighbors? If and when they came back to India , did they bring back a variety of languages and dialects? Also, if they brought back the Indo-European language grammar to form Sanskrit , why aren't the languages of the Indus and other parts of India do not have an Indo- European base? And why is India's basic indigenous languages mostly Dravidian in origin. and no influence of Sanskrit? It is the other way around, the Sanskrit language is virtually swamped by these other languages. If the Dravidians and Aryans did live in peace from time immemorial , why is the north predominantly Aryan in contrast to the South.? The historical analysis don't seem to fit and Talageri's thesis is outdated and irrelevant and cannot stand close scrutiny. An indigenous Aryan India would have seen an explosion of horses and chariots throughout the country from such long occupation. Instead, the archaeological record cannot stand up to this data or evidence. There are no vast burial sites, no evidence of cremation , no evidence of horse sacrifices and no evidence of prolonged habitation of Aryans and their influence in India before the advent of the first intrusion of Aryans in 1500BC. Talageri's theory is dead in the water for the Rigveda description of horse head sacrifices are now being excavated on the steppes of Russia in those vast burial sites once occupied by nomadic Aryans.
Strange as it may seen, when presented with evidence of an Aryan intrusion the revisionists refuse to believe the evidence before their eyes but when their followers are presented with non attested migration out of India , they accept it lock, stock and barrel.
So it is with the enigmatic problem of the Indus scripts which has defied exhausted attempts at decipherments despite such alleged claims by revisionists. And they are not giving up because if they do their masters will be displeased and thus the Aryan Indus theory cannot be proved. Other than the horse and chariot problem, the language problem has plagued the intellect of the revisionists who cannot seem to get around these problems. As if that is not enough, in comes Mr. Asko Parpola one of the most gifted archaeologists with his findings that the inscriptions on the seals and scripts are indeed Dravidian in origin. This in part can be confirmed in fact by the discovery of an ancient stone axe with Indus markings of Dravidian origins. It was not good news for the likes of Frawley et al! The discovery of more writings at the Indus would certainly kill the case for an Aryan Indus, since such writings would increase the character of the Indus as of Dravidian origin. The attempt to link Aryan Sanskrit to the Indus script has taken a nose-dive and revisionists are nervous about the outcome. The presence of Mr. Parpola is apparently resented by such scholars for he could be the harbinger of bad news. In his article on the Internet published and read in 2005 at the ICES Tokyo session , titled, : Study of the Indus Script:
this eminent and highly respected scholar on the international scene and among his peers writes the following on pages 46,48 subtitled "The Language Problem" the following:
The language problem is most crucial. If the language of the Indus
script belong to a language family not known from other sources,
the Indus script can never be deciphered. Compare the case of the
Etruscan: though written in an easily read alphabetic script, this
isolated language is not much understood beyond the texts covered by
copious translations. But as the Harappan population numbered
around one million, there is a fair chance that traces of the language(s)
have survived in the extensive Vedic texts composed by Indo-Aryan
speakers who came to the Indus Valley from Central Asia during the
second millennium BCE. Aryan languages have been spoken in the
Indus Valley ever since, but an Aryan language could not have been
spoken by large numbers of Mature Harappan people. The culture
reflected in the Rigvedic hymns is quite dissimilar from the Indus
Civilization. Particularly important is the fact that the domesticated
horse has played an important role in the culture of the Indo-Iranian
speakers, and there is no unambiguous evidence for the presence of
Equus caballus in South Asia before the second Millennium BCE.
.........Historically, the most likely candidate for the written majority
language of the Harappans is Proto-Dravidian. The 26 members of
Dravidian language family are now mainly spoken in Central and South
India. However, one Dravidian language , Brahui, has been spoken in
Balochistan for at least a thousand years, as far as the historical sources
go. Even areal linguistics of South Asia supports the hypothesis that the
Indus language belonged to the Dravidian family. The retroflex consonants,
which constitute the most diagnostic feature of the South Asian linguistic
area, can be divided into two distinct groups, and one of these groups are
distributed over the Indus Valley as well as the Dravidian speaking areas.
Most importantly, numerous loanwords and even structural borrowings from
Dravidian have been identified in Sanskrit texts composed in northwestern
India at the end of the second and first half of the first millennium BCE,
before any intensive contact between North and South India. External
evidence thus suggests that the Harappans most probably spoke a
Dravidian language. Tools for such reconstructing Proto-Dravidian are
available.
Well, here we have it from an expert in languages who has dedicated his life's work on the languages of India and which has not sound too pleasing to the ears of the revisionist scholars and which would spell defeat for their theory of an Aryan Indus. Mr. Parpola is in
essence saying that Sanskrit could not be the language of the Indus civilization due to the simple fact that Dravidian language could not be the root of the language of the Vedas. The IE language is an overlaying stratum with loan words punctuating its flanks and underside. Apparently, revisionist scholars are not satisfied with this evidence and several of them have claimed decipherments that loudly proclaim that the language of the Indus has been broken to reveal its Sankritist nature. They all have failed. I can't for one moment visualizing the people of the Indus speaking Sanskrit , without being in possession of the chariot, the horse or observing the sacrifices and libations of its religious ritual. Its very queer isn't it? Since so much has been written on Aryan languages, I will now turn to another subject which so much has also been written and that is the horse. But this time Mr. Parpola will be the new reference for its presence in India Thus, on page 3-4 of the article dated 2005, and titled :
The Nasatyas, the Chariot and the Proto-Aryan religion: of ICES conference in Japan under the subtitle Origin and dispersal of the horse drawn chariot: he writes,
Whether the horse drawn chariot originated in the steppes in the Sintashta /
Arkaim culture or in the Near East is a debated issue, but Stuart Piggot has
has suggested a reasonable compromise that may settle the matter.
The natural habitat of the wild horse and its early domestication was on the
South Russian steppe. Here the first experiments were made in light spoke
wheeled vehicles, a technological reservoir on which Mesopotamia could
draw and then create the chariot, and its later development of organized
chariotry and chariot warfare, which a sophisticated political setting alone
could make possible. There is important new evidence for the steppe
origin of the proto-chariot. The Mycenaean cheek pieces for chariot -
horses can be traced back to through eastern Europe to prototypes
in the south Russian steppes. ............ The BMAC pottery is the source of the
ceramics of the Gandhara Grave culture of Swat, which is the first culture of
northern India to have the domesticated horse.
Revisionists in general may not in particular like the presence of Mr. Parpola's writing, whose work is recognized world wide and in India for his interpretation from the evidence of archaeology , which he has used to show that the Indus was not Aryan and that horses and chariot originated from the steppes of Russia and used in the occupation of India . This is ruffling the feathers of those who believe in indigenous Aryans and an out of India migration scenario which personally to me resembles a nightmare. Lets go a little further in the case of indigenous Aryans. First of all, a case for indigenous Aryans will have to have leave a vast amount of fossil habitation in some area where they were supposed to have sojourned. Secondly, there has to be some chronicle from their neighbors speaking about the presence of a people calling themselves noble or Aryans. None of this has surfaced and there are no other attestation from other Indian tribes in this period who can testify to such indigenity. We haven't seen any evidence of such a fossil record and Indian revisionists are indulging in historical correctness in order to give India a home grown Aryan history , possibly in an attempt to wipe out a historical past that laid the foundation for the caste system which still plagues India even up to today.
As for the origin of the Indian population, they are divided into two categories the indigenous and the foreigners. Such a report was done by a host of genetic scientists and scholars titled:
Genetic Evidence on the Origins of Indian Caste Populations
(Internet Online article May 8, 2001 Vol II ,Number of Pages 26)
The contributors are Michael Bamshad, Toomas Kivisild, W. Scott Watkins, Mary E Dixon, Chris E WIcker, Baskara E Rao, J. Mastan Naidu, BV Ravi Prashad, Govinda Reddy, Arani Rasanayagam, Surinder S Papiha, Richard Willems, Alan J Redd, Michael F. Hammer, Son. V Nguyen, Marion L. Carroll, Mark A Batzer and Lynn B Jorde from the following institutes, research and university centers are Dept of Pediatrics, University Of Utah, Salt Lake City USA. Institute of Molecular and Cell Biology, Tartu University and Estonian Biocentre, Estonia, Dept of Human Genetics, University of Utah, USA, Dept of Anthropology, Andhra University , Visakhapatnam, Andhra Pradesh, India, Anthropological Survey of India, Calcutta, India, Dept of Anthropology , University of Madras, Tamil Nadu, India, Laboratory of Molecular Systematics and Evolution, Unversity of Arizona, USA, Dept of Human Genetics, University of Newcastle upon Tyne UK , Dept of Pathology, Biometry and Genetics , Biochemistry and Molecular Biology, Stanley S Scott Center, Louisiana State University Health Science Center New Orleans USA.
This research is a vast and pretty long drawn out study on the genetics of the Indian population and involved several prestigious Indian scholars and places of learning and some foreign scholars also. This 25 page document on Indian genetic research has come up with some evidence and conclusions based on DNA and cannot be dismissed as some readers have done on the Internet. I know because I read some of those articles attacking the results of the research which is reminiscent of the OJ Simpson case. It seems that those who believe in the indigenous theory are denying empirical established scientific evidence that are now being used to determine the origin human populations and their origins. It is a sad day because this attitude is a throwback to the dark ages of scientific knowledge when ignorance ruled the mind. Anyhow, this document is composed of several sections viz::
Abstract ,Introduction, Results, Discussion and Methods of which I will attempt to just offer a few quotations from their investigations.
The ABSTRACT on page 2 states that :
The analysis of these data demonstrated that the upper
castes have a higher affinity to Europeans than to Asians
and the upper castes are significantly more similar to
Europeans than are the lower castes. Collectively all five
datasets show a trend toward upper castes being more
similar to Europeans, whereas lower castes are more
similar to Asians. We conclude that Indian castes are
most likely to be proto-Asian origin with West Eurasian
admixture resulting in rank related and sex specific
differences in the affinities of castes to Asians and
Europeans
The INTRODUCTION states that:
Shared Indo-European languages (ie Hindi and most
European languages) suggested to linguists ofthe 19th and
20th centuries that contemporary Hindu Indians are
descendants of primarily West Europeans who migrated
from Europe, the Near East, Anatolia, and the Caucasus
3000-8000 years ago (Poliakov 1974, Renfrew 1989)
These nomadic migrants may consolidated their power by
admixing with native Dravidic -speaking ( Telugu proto Asians
populations who controlled regional access to land, labor and
resources. (Cavalli-Storza et al. 1994) and subsequently
established the Hindu caste hierarchy to legitimize and
maintain this power (Poliakov 1974, Cavalli-Storza et al 1994)
It is plausible that these West Eurasian migrants also appointed
themselves to predominantly castes of higher rank. However,
archaeological evidence of the diffusion of material culture
from Western Eurasia into India has been limited (Shaffer
1982). Therefore, information on the genetic relationship of
Indians to Europeans and Asians could contribute substantially
to understanding the origins of Indian populations.
The RESULTS states:
Because historical evidence suggests greater affinity between upper
castes and Europeans than between lower castes and Europeans
(Balakrishnan 1978,1982, Cavalli-Sforza et al 1994) it is appropriate
to use a one tailed test of the difference between the corresponding
genetic distances. The 90 % confidence limits of Nei's standard distances
estimated between upper castes and Europeans (0.006-6.016) versus
lower castes and Europeans (0.017-0.037) do not overlap, indicating
statistical significance at the 0.05 level. Significance at 0.05 is not
achieved if the Kshatriya and Vysya are excluded. These results offer
statistical support for differences in the genetic affinity of Europeans
to caste populations of differing rank, with greater European affinity
toupper castes than to lower castes.
The DISCUSSION concluded that:
Our analysis of 40 autosomal markers indicates clearly that the
upper castes have a higher affinity to Europeans than to Asians.
The high affinity to castes Y chromosomes with those of
Europeans suggests that the majority of immigrating West
Eurasians may have been males. As might be expected if West
Eurasians males appropriated the highest positions in the caste
system, the upper caste group exhibits a lower genetic distance
to Europeans than the middle or lower castes. This is underscored
by the observation that the Kshatriya (an upper caste), whose
members served as warriors, are closer to Europeans than any
other caste (data not shown). Furthermore, the 32 -bp deletion
polymorphism in CC chemokine receptor 5 , whose frequency
peaks in populations of Eastern Europe, is found only in two
Brahmin males (M. Bamshad and S.K Ahuja, unpubl). The
stratification of Y -chromosome distances with Europeans could
also be caused by male specific gene flow among caste
populations of different rank. However, we and others have
demonstrated that there is little sharing of Y- chromosome
haplotypes among castes of diffrent rank. (Bamshad et al. 1998,
Bhattacharyya et al 1999)
The METHODS of this sample collection for genetic study is as follows:
We classified caste populations based upon the traditional ranking of
these castes by varna , occupation, and socioeconomic status.
According to various Sanskrit texts, Hindu populations were
partitioned originally into four categories or varna, Brahmin,
Kshatriya , Vysya, and Sudra(Tambia 1973, elder 1996) Those in
varna performed occupations assigned to their category. Brahmins
were priests, Kshatriya were wariors, Vysya were traders and Sudra
were to serve the three other varna. (Tambia 1973, Elder 1996)
Each varna was assigned a status, Brahmin, Kshatriya, and Vysya were
considered of higher status than the Sudra because the Brahmin,
Kshatriya and Vysya are considered the twice born castes and
are differentiated from all other castes in the caste hierachy. This
is the rationale behind classifying them as the upper group of castes.
The Kapu and the Yadava are called once - born castes that have
traditionally been classified in the Sudra, the lowest of the original
four varna. However, the status of the Sudra was actually higher than
that of a fifth varna, the Panchama. This fifth varna was added at a
later date to include the so-called untouchables, who were excluded
from the other four varna. (Elder1996) The untouchable varna includes the
Mala and Madiga. The position of the Relli in the caste hierarchy is
somewhat ambiguous, but they have usually been classified in the
lower caste group. Therefore, prior to the collection of any data , males
from eight different Telugu speaking castes( n =265) were ranked
into upper (Niyogi and Vydiki, Brahmin, Kshatriya, Vysya (n = 80)
middle ( Telugu and Turpu Kapu, Yadava (n =111), and lower (Relli,
Madiga, Mala (n = 74) groups (Bamshad et al, 1998) . This
ranking has been used by previous investigators (Krishnan and Reddy
1994)
After obtaining informed consent, 8 ml of whole blood or 5 plucked
scalp hairs were collected from each participant. Extractions were
perfumed at Andhra University using established methods (Bell et al 1981)
The ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS
for this DNA genetic research was done mostly by Indian staff at the Andhra
University. As I have read of the negativity generated especially by Indian
publications on the Internet and their doubtful aspersions they cast upon this
study is to their disadvantage. Their unversities, their scholars, their scientists and
their superb technical knowledge was applied in determining the true origins of
the Indian people. If they believe that these studies are not true and official, then
they have no confidence in their own people and methods and this attitude is
caused primarily by political beliefs and fierce anti nationalistic behavior fueled
by political considerations.
There is another study carried out and confirmed the genetic origins of India and titled:
RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN INDIAN POPULATIONS AND EUROPEANS
from the Internet Online article dated 10/17/2006 by the following geneticists:
Joseph Skulj, Jagdish C. Sharda, Snejina Sonina and Petr Jandacek and
published by the Hindu Institute of Learning which states on pages 7& 8 the following under the subtitle : Indo-Aryan and European Genetic Affinity.:
A close affinity , based on the Y chromosome, has been reported between Hindi speaking (Aryan) Indians and Europeans (Quintana -Murci et al, 1999). Bamshad has gone a step further and compared the affinities between the castes and also between the Europeans. He has found that the affinity to Europeans is proportionate to caste rank ; the upper castes being most similar to Europeans, particularly East Europeans. These findings are consistent with greater West Eurasian male admixture with castes of higher rank. The lower castes, on the other hand are more similar to Asians. For this comparison , Eastern Europeans samples from Russia and Romania were used. (Bamshad et al 2001)
Kindly publish my article on the Internet. Thank you.
TO ALL THE INDIAN HISTORIANS, ARCHAEOLOGISTS, WRITERS AND PUBLISHERS
WHO BELIEVE THAT THE INDUS CIVILIZATION IS OF ARYAN ORIGIN ESPECIALLY
A.K. SHARMA., WHO BELIEVE THAT HORSES EXISTED IN THE INDUS
:
NAMASTE, THE TRADING OF HORSES IS ABSENT. NOWHERE IN YOUR ARTICLES ARE THERE MENTION OF HORSE TRADE BETWEEN THE INDUS AND THE MESOPOTAMIAN STATES OF ASSRYIA, SUMER AND BABYLON. MOST OF THE INDIAN HISTORIANS AND WRITERS ARE CONVINCED AND EVEN YOUR WEBSITE SAY THAT THE INDUS IS ARYAN AND YOU ILLUSTRATE ITS PRODUCTS, ITS PEOPLE, ITS ACCOMPLISHMENTS ETC. IT IS EVEN WRITTEN THAT THE GREAT CITIES FROM LOTHAL AND HARAPPA TO SURKOTADA ARE SITES OF HORSE BONES AND FAUNA REMAINS. ALL THESE ARE THE WRITINGS OF ELST, RAJARAM AND FRAWLEY ET AL. IF THIS IS SO WHY IS THERE NO ATTESTATION OF THE TRADE OF HORSES BETWEEN THE INDUS AND THE MESOPOTAMIAN EMPIRE , MAGAN, DILMUN AND PERSIA? WHY IS IT THAT IN ALL ARTICLES ON THE INDUS THERE IS GREAT DETAIL OF ACCOUNT OF TRADE BETWEEN THE INDUS AND THE OTHER CIVILIZATIONS OF EVERYTHING BENEATH THE SUN AND AN UTTER LACK OF HORSE TRADE? THE RIGVEDA MENTIONS THE HORSE AND ITS LIFESTYLE AND TRADING AND BREEDING BUT NONE OF THIS IS MENTIONED IN YOUR HINDUNET ARTICLES. THE ARYANS OF THE VEDAS DETAILED THE BREEDING OF HORSES VIZ: MARES, STALLIONS, BAYS AND STEEDS. BUT YOUR WEBSITES NEVER MENTION THE HORSE AND ITS LIFESTYLE. WHY? SO MY CONCLUSION IS THAT SINCE YOUR ARTICLES CAN'T MENTION THE HORSE , THEREFORE THE SARASVATI/ SINDHU OR INDUS CIVILIZATION IS NOT OF ARYAN ORIGIN. THIS LACK OF ATTESTATION OF OF HORSE TRADE IS ABSENT IN THE INDUS' TRADING PARTNERS. THIS IS UNDERSTANDABLE, SINCE THE INDUS CANNOT ALONE HAVE HORSES , IN AN AGE WHERE THE TECHNOLOGY IS THE ASS DRIVEN HEAVY WOODEN CART OR BY ONAGERS. NOWHERE IN THIS STONE AGE ARE HORSES FOUND IN THE TRADING PARTNERS OF THE INDUS. AS THE ARCHAEOLOGIST MR. G .L. POSSEHL SAID:
AS FAR AS I CAN TELL, THERE ARE LOTS OF ASSES
DOCUMENTED AT THE INDUS SETTLEMENTS, BUT NOT
DOMESTIC HORSES.
.
For sometime now I have been reading several articles of the case for and against AIT/AMT versus OIT. Although the Indian historians and certain archaeologists have more or less proven that there was no invasion per se of India, by Indo-Aryans , the fact still remain that India was and still is occupied by the descendants of the Vedic Aryans whose culture and history make up what is India today and including those from the Indus civilization. A detailed reading and study of the various opinions by those historians and archaeologists on this website, especially from India still maintain and doubt that the horse and chariot came from outside the country and who insist that horses and chariots are indigenous to the land. I have perceived that there are two major points which mostly the Indian historians are stubbornly refusing to concede and that is :
(A) They continue to hang on to the dead theory that the Indus
civilization is Aryan and indigenous.
(B) Despite the mountain of official documented and textual
evidence from various sources eg: Andronovan proven Indo-
Iranian sites, evidence from the Vedas itself, lack of evidence of
horses and chariots in ancient India before the advent of the
Aryans etc, Indian officials and historians still attempt to castigate
the authors and doubt the veracity of the documented and
archaeological evidence.
Still, I would like to make a point on the subject of horses to those who believe that the Indus was a center for horse breeding from the inception of the Indus civilization circa 3500BC. Indian historians and some archaeologists have written a host of articles of horses at the Indus and reported findings of bones and remains. Also, we hear how the Indus empire was far flung in its trading with other nations such as Sumer, Mesopotamia and Arab lands. We read of the vast trading commerce of the Indus people with their sailing ships and we read of the products they traded with other people. Also , most of the Indian writers and historians state how vast deposits of horse bones are found in most Indus cities. If all this is true , then why in the trading documents are there no mention of horse trading of Indus ships with the other nations? Where are the detailed descriptions of the color of the horse, the breed of the horse etc in the trading lists of the Indus traders? Where are the parts of the chariots that was traded from the Indus to other cities and civilizations? Why are there no details of horse trading from the other lands , especially from the Arabs? How is it that the Indus ALONE possessed the horse from 3500BC, and no other civilization or city has no textual evidence of its presence within that time? The Indus was indeed overflowing with bones, asses and onagers. The Indus civilization drew on an inexhausted supply of asses and onagers from the Rann Of Kutch where the ass is known as khurs. This is where the Indus people derived the source of their transport , because the Rann OF Kutch was overflowing with asses and onagers and they were used for transport, pack animals, dray carts along with the oxen and bulls. Even today the area still depends on the Rann Of Kutch for its pack animals. So the Indian historians and archaeologists should stop looking in every nook and cranny of the Indus for horses. They didn't exist. If any Indian archaeologist or historian could find any textual evidence that the Indus traded in horses with their neighbors , I'd recommend him for a Nobel Peace Prize. Indian scholars and historians who fervently believe in an Aryan Indus love to include in their books and pieces supposed evidence of horse bones, remains and fauna in the cities and sites of the ancient Indus. But none so far can prove that evidence exists that the Indus possessed this technology and as I have said above that if the Indus people knew this animal , they would have left evidence of horse trading in those ancient times. It is amazing that several historians and scholars give glowing accounts of reasons why the Indus is of Aryan origin but omits the main animal-- the horse and worse yet go into detail about Indus trade and yet cannot produce attestation of horse trading. Every conceivable item, article and artifact is detailed for the trade industry for the Indus but the trade in horses is missing. Dr. Subhash Kak, a devotee of Aryan Indus in his article: "Vedic Elements In the Ancient Iranian Religion of Zarathushtra" ( Pages 51-56) makes a comparison of the two religions but ominiously leaves out the horse and chariot but includes the cow. This is cynical of the writings of historical revisionists who write and publish articles as the true history of India arguing for an Aryan Indus but omits the horse and chariot. This kind of argument never clinches their theories. Or if they do mention the horse and chariot, they rely on the false layer of deposits of ass bones found in the Indus as evidence of the animal's existence. A horse rich Aryan Indus existing from 3500BC should leave us and archaeologists a vast amount of remains of a horse culture, a culture of attestation which should exhibit the training and breeding of horses, textual evidence of horse management, use of the horse as a mode of transport or for martial purposes and written documents of horse trade with the surrounding empires. None of this is available in the ruins of the Indus and while the Aryans and Trojans are superb examples of horse breeding, of which the evidence attests to this, the Indus are not known to have seen a horse and therefore are not horse breeders. There is no pictorial evidence of interaction or integration of the horse and chariot in the evidence produced so far in the Indus. There are no seals or scripts attesting to people of the Indus driving chariots pulled by horses as we have seen in other societies. If any animals were used in the Indus civilization , they were amply supplied by the limitless herds of asses and onagers roaming the Rann Of Kutch, known as khurs. As G.L Possehl the archaeologist said,
"As far as I can tell, there are lots of asses documented at the Indus
settlements , but not domestic horses."
Who else can be more right? All this has been confirmed by Meadow and Kenoyer the two leading archaeologists in the Indus excavations and most times they are irritated by the revisionist scholars whose enthusiasm carries they them away. This is what the various Hindunet articles are trying to suggest that the donkey carts of the Indus is a point of origin for the development of lightly rolling war chariots of the Vedas. They are employing lexemes, morphemes, phonemes and various other subtle ingenuous and insidious word building in these articles in order to fit the Aryans war machine for an Aryan Indus society when the archaeological evidence does not produce such a picture. Other internet articles state that:
Carts were pulled by oxen and asses in Sumeria between 3000 and 2750 BC
By the time of the Copper Age , 3000BC solid wheels and axles were used.
There are records of two four wheeled carts pulled by oxen and asses in
Sumeria and Mesopotamia between the above date. Also many model carts
have been dug up. (www. Techitouk.com)
The King of Sumer rides out in cart pulled by 4 donkeys for war.
(www.answerbag.com)
If the reader notices , these are the same time period which so called horse bones are found in the Indus and this brings up the following questions , which I am sure no historian or scholar of a revisionist nature will attempt to answer.
a) If there was an Aryan indigenous civilization with the above dates, where are the
cremation sites or urns from this time period? The Trojan civilization produced
cremation sites and urns from this early period.
b) Why is there no evidence of a deep and vast horse culture in the Indus?
c) Why are there no remains of sacrifice and buried chariots which is the custom of
Aryan people?
d) If the Aryans were indigenous to India why is there an absence of such
documentation in the texts and chronicles of other neighboring clans and tribes?
e) Why is there only mention of crremation in the Vedas and not in other
chronicles?
f) Why is there only mention of horse sacrifice only in the Vedas and not in other
chronicles of the other people?
g) Most important of all, how can the Indus possess horses in a vaccum at a time
when other empires did not have them? Did the Indus alone have them? If so
why are there no evidence of trade?
For people who want to change the history of India, they must not only do away with something they find offensive or repugnant , but they must replace it with something of value and authentic. An Aryan Indus is not authentic nor is it being replaced with something of value. It is being replaced by lie. But alas, other than the scholars and historians who really believe in an Aryan Indus , there are others who follow their misguided paths based on their wrong assumptions and mistaken history of India. Other than the history of the Vedas, the geography of the Rigveda is also under fire to suit the claims of those who advocate the Aryan Indus theory. And that is what it will remain a theory.
I now refer Mr. R Goel's " Geography of the Rigveda" published on the Internet on 17/2/03 where he attempted to convince his readers that the Aryans of India are indigenous and that the Indus is Aryan. I personally think that it is an excellent attempt to prove the above but it has it flaws. For one, on page 15, he writes:
That the historical movement of the Vedic Aryans across the Sutudri
Vipas rivers at the time of Sudas, can only be a westward movement.
Now, why would the Vedic Aryans who is supposed to be indigenous to India stop in this area which contains the Cemetery H Culture? This Culture is described by Wikipedia.org on page 1 as the following:
The distinguishing features of this culture include:
a) The use of cremation of human remains. The bones were stored
in painted pottery burial urns. This is completely different to the
Indus civilization where bodies were buried in wooden coffins.
b) Reddish pottery , a completely different pottery to the Indus.
c) Expansion of settlements into the east. This is evidence in
contrast to Goel's east to west scenario. His scenario has
no attestation of such a movement.
d) The cultivation of rice as a crop by the Aryans who learned it
from the Indus people etc.
This is a classic example of the overlaying of a new culture over the old one and of course
the Aryans went through a process of assimilation, linguistic, cultural and political changes from the people they met from the Indus. Mr. Goel's article of Aryans coming from the interior has no foundation since he cannot provide textual attestation that this is so. Whereas, evidence can be provided that the Aryans did come into India and left their mark in the form of culture , cremation, religion and political apparatus etc. But the major flaw in his article is the omission of the horse in the section that he discusses the animals of the Vedas. From page 31, he began to cite the names of animals found in the Vedas and they are the elephant, the buffalo, the bison the peacock and the spotted deer. On page 33 he states:
Further, the names of these animals are purely Aryan Indo-European: the
elephant for example, has four names each of which has a purely Aryan
etymology.
All well and good , but what happened to the horse? Mr. Goel. It seems that you have either forgotten the horse, overlooked it deliberately or chose to ignore it completely. This is the same journalistic transgression most revisionist writers do for the above reason. It is fascinating to see some of them composing histories of India and more or less just devote a few lines to the horse and chariot or chose not to. Maybe I should bring it to the attention of Mr. Goel, if he hasn't noticed it already that his Rigvedic rivers are all confined to the north-west of India and he cannot provide any substantial evidence that the Aryans existed in an indigenous state in India. So if they did as he and other revisionists claim , then where are the attestation for this? Why are the revisionists only arguing for an Aryan Indus from the perspective of textual evidence from the Vedas, supposed evidence from the Indus, from the geography of the Vedic rivers, and not in return for evidence from other parts of India? Can Mr. Goel supply any evidence of Aryan indigenity for the following points?
a) Any concrete evidence of Aryan habitation in India that
can say that Aryans lived here?
b) Any attested sites of cremation and burial of Aryans before 1500BC
c) Remains of their pottery and artifacts.
d) Textual evidence of the supposed Aryan neighboring tribes that
can verify that Aryans once occupied the land before their
supposed migration out of India.
e) That horses and chariots existed in India before the advent of
the Aryans in 1500BC.
If Mr. Goel can provide these answers to the above then he has a case along Talageri et al. These writers and historians though they mean well, are screwed in their logic of trying to paint the Indus as Aryan. Their points of history of India is okay except for a few ideas that are flawed. One is that the Aryan Indus existed since 3500 BC and the other is the migration out of India. The other is the problem of the Sarasvati river and the other is the vexing one of the horse and chariot which has so far eluded them and thus making their theories outdated and impossible and illogical. First we will discuss the Sarasvati river which , since the satellite discovery of its disappearance has been jumped on by the historical writers who are using it to clinch their case to overthrow the Aryan occupation of India. We can see from the location of the Cemetery H civilization and settlements that the Aryans did not come from the East but from the north where they sojourned in Afghanistan. They had to be because Afghanistan ancient Aryan name is Arianna and this is an Aryan name and it is from this region where the Vedic people came from from their journey from Central Asia. One can believe that the rivers of the north-west of India were not named with their present names when the Indus civilization reigned supreme. What these people called the rivers we don't know. But where did the Aryans come up with the name Sarasvati? It only had to come from some river they knew before and when they came into India and saw the river it was already drying up or in it last stages. They called it Sarasvati nevertheless from the one they knew back in Afghanistan. But one may ask why then should they glorify a river with such praise and epithets when probably it does not deserve it. The only logical reason is two fold:
1 ) the Aryan custom of chanting and singing praises
2) the sacredness of the religion and the taboo of changing
words and religious articles of faith
This may sound far fetched but the Aryan custom of chanting praises and verses still exist today as deeply as ever in every facet of its religion. One must remember this is a time of antiquity , an age of deep religious faith, in which verses and certain words chanted in good faith cannot be changed with the snap of a finger and is resisted by the sages, bards and seers of the tradition. We see this even today in the exact measurement of the fire altars which still have the exact length and with from thousands of years, of which not an iota has been altered. Thus , when the Aryans were in Afghanistan the local river which they named Sarasvati were praised and this was written down in the Vedas thousands of years before but was chanted as the same and they knew that the one in India ran to the sea. Nevertheless, they applied the same chanting praise and epithets to it. Perhaps, the Indian Sarasvati still packed some power , since the seasonal monsoon rains and floods probably ravaged the land before it petered out. That is why the Vedas still has the written words because it was handed down thousands of years , exactly as it was first spoken by the preistly Brahmins so long ago. I do not think for one moment a religious people as the Aryans were would worship a completely dried out river with such praises nor anyone in their right minds. Now,we turn to Mr. Goel's theory of an east to west movement for indigenous Aryans of India which is all wrong for I will provide a chart grid to show why this is so viz:
F i r s t M e n t i o n O f S a r a s v a t i I n V e d a s
Name of Historian Earliest BK Hymn Verse Name First Mentioned Of
Witzel 2 41 16 Various Dieties Sarasvati
Revisionists 6 61 1 Sarasvati Sarasvati
F i r s t M e n t i o n O f H o r s e s I n V e d a s
Name of Historian Earliest BK Hymn Verse Name First Mentioned Of
Witzel 2 1 5 Agni Steeds or Horses
Revisionists 6 2 8 Agni Steeds or Horses
F i r s t M e n t i o n O f H o r s e s A n d S a r a s v a t i I n BK ONE
Earliest BK Hymn Verse Name
HORSES 1 3 6 Asvins
SARASVATI 1 3 11 Asvins
RIGVEDA BOOKS IN ORDER OF AGE
Oldest = 2---7
Most Recent = 9
Youngest = 1-- 10
In the above graph the reader will notice that BK 2 which is considered the oldest by Witzel, the Aryans first mention the horse and the river Sarasvati in contrast to that of the revisionist whose BK 6 , the Aryans mention of the horse and river Sarasvati is way down and later in their travels. An animal as important as the horse would be of the utmost importance to the warrior Aryans and would be quickly be in front of any skirmish and worshipped and mentioned in incantations and chantings. The quibble on the subject of horses and chariots, I don't think will end until the revisionists realize that any horse existence at the Indus civilization will have to be accompanied by trade by the Indus people with their surrounding Sumerian and Mesopotamian and Arab trading partners. The finds of terracota horse figuerines and other such resembled figures are close relatives of the horse such as asses, onagers and half asses. The Indus is and was not a horse breeding nor horse riding or driving society. In conclusion, the revisionists should take note that there is no evidence of interaction or integration of the horse and chariot with the people of this civilization as is shown in other societies as Egypt etc. Had it been so, we would have had a wealth of textual attestations, burial remains of horses, trashed artifacts of broken down chariots in the stables and workshops of the Indus. None of this is there , yet they keep coming with all kind of suggestions of bones discovery, remains etc. It is fascinating to see writers alluding to the Indus civilization as Aryan even though, it did not cremate its dead, and its entire society is based on a Dravidian basis and there is not one iota of its history resembling that of the warrior society of the Vedas. You got to read it to believe it.
I will touch briefly on several aspects of the invasion theory as rejected by the revisionists who now want to create an outward migration despite there is no evidence. At least, for the supposed invasion theory of the Aryans there is evidence that there was an incursion into India sometime in antiquity. Dr. Dinesh Agrawal in his internet article dated 10/28/06 on the "Demise of the Aryan Invasion Theory" states the following on page 6:
There is enough positive evidence in support of the religious rites
of the Harappans being similar to those of the Vedic Aryans. ...
indicating continuity and identity of Vedic culture with the
Indus Valley civilization.
I wonder if the Indus people were cremating their dead in their society for their loved ones. when they died. Did the Indus people when they married circled the fire seven times? Did the Indus people sacrificed the horse and gave libations to the gods? What is this continuity and culture did the Indus people maintain with present day ancestors of the Aryans? Come good doctor, can you expound or expand on the above questions. A close look at the two societies shows the gross differences between the two, one an urban and sedate and peaceful civilization and the other a nomadic warrior society always on the move and wherever they came from they left virtually no archaeological record during their journeys. Dr. Agrawal should know that the Indo-Iranians came from the Sintashta and Androvono sites which have proven their habitation there and the Avesta speaks of an Aryan Homeland. The Aryan Hindus probably did not see it proper to include their former homeland in the Vedas and other writings due to the fact that those lands was where they experienced hardships and struggle. The Avesta states this and at times in the Vedas we read of the Ancient Homeland , though no proper name has ever been given. In the case of the horse which has proven to be such a thorn in the sides of the revisionists and historians, Dr. Agrawal should be aware that those bones , if they are horse bones found at the Mature and Late Harappan are the remains of either asses or onagers or horses from the conquering Aryans. There is no attestation of the Indus people interacting with the horse or evidence of its integration in Indus society. Mr. Asko Parpola has stated over and over again that horses did not exist at the Indus and that the writings and seals of the Indus people are Dravidian in origin. Thus , the Indus is Dravidian for they did not practice Aryan customs in their society. They buried their dead. Only time will tell when the revisionists will have to accept the fact that the Indus is Dravidian.
We now come to grips with that doyen of Out of India theory , Mr. Shrikant Talageri with his latest account of an Aryan migration to the Near East. Europe and beyond. A theory of migration involves the reason and circumstances why a people should migrate out of India , especially if there is enough food , plenty of land, resources for everyone , the painful separation of loved ones and a host of other inconviences involved with such an operation. This is a theory flung out by Talageri to give plausible cause and reason for the similarities between Sanskrit and the various European languages. For if there is no migration , how can Mr. Talageri explain as well as others the such phenomena. Therefore at the behest , I presume of those in India, an outward outflow of Indians from India to various parts of the world would account for the similarities of Indian and European languages. Talageri in his book "The Rigveda, a Historical Analysis" states that the homeland of the Indo-Iranians is located: (Page 81 , The Indo-Iranian Homeland?
in the area stretching from and including Uttar Pradesh in the
east to and including southern and eastern Afghanistan in the west.
This is the area which represents the common Indo-Iranian homeland
(His italics)
Nice try but wrong and wrong again. In analysing something like this especially the homeland of a people and nation , there are several factors that has to satisfy the writers and historians. Archaeologists will have to prove that habitation of the former occupiers are authentic and that their tools , implements and weapons that they had used were the same as the old ones discarded in the former habitation. For example, the sites of the Sintashta and a host of other areas , archaeologists have uncovered buried wheels and chariots of the same size and make, sacrifices of horses and others coincide with present practices etc. Is this the same case for the Aryans exodus from India? Did they emigrate with the same tools and weapons as those they left behind? Did they leave chronicles of writing behind that in the future would correlate with their language? Did they have a language when they migrated? As far as the record shows the Aryans before they set down in writing in Sanskrit , they chanted their words rites for thousands of years. Did they leave vestiges of lifestyle in India of their society and can this be found? What part of India did they live and who were their closest neighbors? If and when they came back to India , did they bring back a variety of languages and dialects? Also, if they brought back the Indo-European language grammar to form Sanskrit , why aren't the languages of the Indus and other parts of India do not have an Indo- European base? And why is India's basic indigenous languages mostly Dravidian in origin. and no influence of Sanskrit? It is the other way around, the Sanskrit language is virtually swamped by these other languages. If the Dravidians and Aryans did live in peace from time immemorial , why is the north predominantly Aryan in contrast to the South.? The historical analysis don't seem to fit and Talageri's thesis is outdated and irrelavant and cannot stand close scrutiny. An indigenous Aryan India would have seen an explosion of horses and chariots throughout the country from such long occupation. Instead, the archaeological record cannot stand up to this data or evidence. There are no vast burial sites, no evidence of cremation , no evidence of horse sacrifices and no evidence of prolonged habitation of Aryans and their influence in India before the advent of the first intrusion of Aryans in 1500BC. Talageri's theory is dead in the water for the Rigveda description of horse head sacrifices are now being excavated on the steppes of Russia in those vast burial sites once occupied by nomadic Aryans.
Strange as it may seen, when presented with evidence of an Aryan intrusion the revisionists refuse to believe the evidence before their eyes but when their followers are presented with non attested migration out of India , they accept it lock, stock and barrel.
So it is with the enigmatic problem of the Indus scripts which has defied exhausted attempts at decipherments despite such alleged claims by revisionists. And they are not giving up because if they do their masters will be displeased and thus the Aryan Indus theory cannot be proved. Other than the horse and chariot problem, the language problem has plagued the intellect of the revisionists who cannot seem to get around these problems. As if that is not enough, in comes Mr. Asko Parpola one of the most gifted archaeologists with his findings that the inscriptions on the seals and scripts are indeed Dravidian in origin. This in part can be confirmed in fact by the discovery of an ancient stone axe with Indus markings of Dravidian origins. It was not good news for the likes of Frawley et al! The discovery of more writings at the Indus would certainly kill the case for an Aryan Indus, since such writings would increase the character of the Indus as of Dravidian origin. The attempt to link Aryan Sanskrit to the Indus script has taken a nose-dive and revisionists are nervous about the outcome. The presence of Mr. Parpola is apparently resented by such scholars for he could be the harbinger of bad news. In his article on the Internet published and read in 2005 at the ICES Tokyo session , titled, : Study of the Indus Script:
this eminent and highly respected scholar on the international scene and among his peers writes the following on pages 46,48 subtitled "The Language Problem" the following:
The language problem is most crucial. If the language of the Indus
script belong to a language family not known from other sources,
the Indus script can never be deciphered. Compare the case of the
Etruscan: though written in an easily read alphabetic script, this
isolated language is not much understood beyond the texts covered by
copious translations. But as the Harappan population numbered
around one million, there is a fair chance that traces of the language(s)
have survived in the extensive Vedic texts composed by Indo-Aryan
speakers who came to the Indus Valley from Central Asia during the
second millennium BCE. Aryan languages have been spoken in the
Indus Valley ever since, but an Aryan language could not have been
spoken by large numbers of Mature Harappan people. The culture
reflected in the Rigvedic hymns is quite dissimilar from the Indus
Civilization. Particularly important is the fact that the domesticated
horse has played an important role in the culture of the Indo-Iranian
speakers, and there is no unambiguous evidence for the presence of
Equus caballus in South Asia before the second Millennium BCE.
.........Historically, the most likely candidate for the written majority
language of the Harappans is Proto-Dravidian. The 26 members of
Dravidian language family are now mainly spoken in Central and South
India. However, one Dravidian language , Brahui, has been spoken in
Balochistan for at least a thousand years, as far as the historical sources
go. Even areal linguistics of South Asia supports the hypothesis that the
Indus language belonged to the Dravidian family. The retroflex consonants,
which constitute the most diagnostic feature of the South Asian linguistic
area, can be divided into two distinct groups, and one of these groups are
distributed over the Indus Valley as well as the Dravidian speaking areas.
Most importantly, numerous loanwords and even structural borrowings from
Dravidian have been identified in Sanskrit texts composed in northwestern
India at the end of the second and first half of the first millennium BCE,
before any intensive contact between North and South India. External
evidence thus suggests that the Harappans most probably spoke a
Dravidian language. Tools for such reconstructing Proto-Dravidian are
available.
Well, here we have it from an expert in languages who has dedicated his life's work on the languages of India and which has not sound too pleasing to the ears of the revisionist scholars and which would spell defeat for their theory of an Aryan Indus. Mr. Parpola is in
essence saying that Sanskrit could not be the language of the Indus civilization due to the simple fact that Dravidian language could not be the root of the language of the Vedas. The IE language is an overlaying stratum with loan words punctuating its flanks and underside. Apparently, revisionist scholars are not satisfied with this evidence and several of them have claimed decipherments that loudly proclaim that the language of the Indus has been broken to reveal its Sankritist nature. They all have failed. I can't for one moment visualizing the people of the Indus speaking Sanskrit , without being in possession of the chariot, the horse or observing the sacrifices and libations of its religious ritual. Its very queer isn't it? Since so much has been written on Aryan languages, I will now turn to another subject which so much has also been written and that is the horse. But this time Mr. Parpola will be the new reference for its presence in India Thus, on page 3-4 of the article dated 2005, and titled :
The Nasatyas, the Chariot and the Proto-Aryan religion: of ICES conference in Japan under the subtitle Origin and dispersal of the horse drawn chariot: he writes,
Whether the horse drawn chariot originated in the steppes in the Sintashta /
Arkaim culture or in the Near East is a debated issue, but Stuart Piggot has
has suggested a reasonable compromise that may settle the matter.
For sometime now I have been reading several articles of the case for and against AIT/AMT versus OIT. Although the Indian historians and certain archaeologists have more or less proven that there was no invasion per se of India, by Indo-Aryans , the fact still remain that India was and still is occupied by the descendants of the Vedic Aryans whose culture and history make up what is India today and including those from the Indus civilization. A detailed reading and study of the various opinions by those historians and archaeologists on this website, especially from India still maintain and doubt that the horse and chariot came from outside the country and who insist that horses and chariots are indigenous to the land. I have perceived that there are two major points which mostly the Indian historians are stubbornly refusing to concede and that is :
(A) They continue to hang on to the dead theory that the Indus
civilization is Aryan and indigenous.
(B) Despite the mountain of official documented and textual
evidence from various sources eg: Andronovan proven Indo-
Iranian sites, evidence from the Vedas itself, lack of evidence of
horses and chariots in ancient India before the advent of the
Aryans etc, Indian officials and historians still attempt to castigate
the authors and doubt the veracity of the documented and
archaeological evidence.
Still, I would like to make a point on the subject of horses to those who believe that the Indus was a center for horse breeding from the inception of the Indus civilization circa 3500BC. Indian historians and some archaeologists have written a host of articles of horses at the Indus and reported findings of bones and remains. Also, we hear how the Indus empire was far flung in its trading with other nations such as Sumer, Mesopotamia and Arab lands. We read of the vast trading commerce of the Indus people with their sailing ships and we read of the products they traded with other people. Also , most of the Indian writers and historians state how vast deposits of horse bones are found in most Indus cities. If all this is true , then why in the trading documents are there no mention of horse trading of Indus ships with the other nations? Where are the detailed descriptions of the color of the horse, the breed of the horse etc in the trading lists of the Indus traders? Where are the parts of the chariots that was traded from the Indus to other cities and civilizations? Why are there no details of horse trading from the other lands , especially from the Arabs? How is it that the Indus ALONE possessed the horse from 3500BC, and no other civilization or city has no textual evidence of its presence within that time? The Indus was indeed overflowing with bones, asses and onagers. The Indus civilization drew on an inexhausted supply of asses and onagers from the Rann Of Kutch where the ass is known as khurs. This is where the Indus people derived the source of their transport , because the Rann OF Kutch was overflowing with asses and onagers and they were used for transport, pack animals, dray carts along with the oxen and bulls. Even today the area still depends on the Rann Of Kutch for its pack animals. So the Indian historians and archaeologists should stop looking in every nook and cranny of the Indus for horses. They didn't exist. If any Indian archaeologist or historian could find any textual evidence that the Indus traded in horses with their neighbors , I'd recommend him for a Nobel Peace Prize. Indian scholars and historians who fervently believe in an Aryan Indus love to include in their books and pieces supposed evidence of horse bones, remains and fauna in the cities and sites of the ancient Indus. But none so far can prove that evidence exists that the Indus possessed this technology and as I have said above that if the Indus people knew this animal , they would have left evidence of horse trading in those ancient times. It is amazing that several historians and scholars give glowing accounts of reasons why the Indus is of Aryan origin but omits the main animal-- the horse and worse yet go into detail about Indus trade and yet cannot produce attestation of horse trading. Every conceivable item, article and artifact is detailed for the trade industry for the Indus but the trade in horses is missing. Dr. Subhash Kak, a devotee of Aryan Indus in his article: "Vedic Elements In the Ancient Iranian Religion of Zarathushtra" ( Pages 51-56) makes a comparison of the two religions but ominiously leaves out the horse and chariot but includes the cow. This is cynical of the writings of historical revisionists who write and publish articles as the true history of India arguing for an Aryan Indus but omits the horse and chariot. This kind of argument never clinches their theories. Or if they do mention the horse and chariot, they rely on the false layer of deposits of ass bones found in the Indus as evidence of the animal's existence. A horse rich Aryan Indus existing from 3500BC should leave us and archaeologists a vast amount of remains of a horse culture, a culture of attestation which should exhibit the training and breeding of horses, textual evidence of horse management, use of the horse as a mode of transport or for martial purposes and written documents of horse trade with the surrounding empires. None of this is available in the ruins of the Indus and while the Aryans and Trojans are superb examples of horse breeding, of which the evidence attests to this, the Indus are not known to have seen a horse and therefore are not horse breeders. There is no pictorial evidence of interaction or integration of the horse and chariot in the evidence produced so far in the Indus. There are no seals or scripts attesting to people of the Indus driving chariots pulled by horses as we have seen in other societies. If any animals were used in the Indus civilization , they were amply supplied by the limitless herds of asses and onagers roaming the Rann Of Kutch, known as khurs. As G.L Possehl the archaeologist said,
"As far as I can tell, there are lots of asses documented at the Indus
settlements , but not domestic horses."
Who else can be more right? All this has been confirmed by Meadow and Kenoyer the two leading archaeologists in the Indus excavations and most times they are irritated by the revisionist scholars whose enthusiasm carries they them away. This is what the various Hindunet articles are trying to suggest that the donkey carts of the Indus is a point of origin for the development of lightly rolling war chariots of the Vedas. They are employing lexemes, morphemes, phonemes and various other subtle ingenuous and insidious word building in these articles in order to fit the Aryans war machine for an Aryan Indus society when the archaeological evidence does not produce such a picture. Other internet articles state that:
Carts were pulled by oxen and asses in Sumeria between 3000 and 2750 BC
By the time of the Copper Age , 3000BC solid wheels and axles were used.
There are records of two four wheeled carts pulled by oxen and asses in
Sumeria and Mesopotamia between the above date. Also many model carts
have been dug up. (www. Techitouk.com)
The King of Sumer rides out in cart pulled by 4 donkeys for war.
(www.answerbag.com)
If the reader notices , these are the same time period which so called horse bones are found in the Indus and this brings up the following questions , which I am sure no historian or scholar of a revisionist nature will attempt to answer.
a) If there was an Aryan indigenous civilization with the above dates, where are the
cremation sites or urns from this time period? The Trojan civilization produced
cremation sites and urns from this early period.
b) Why is there no evidence of a deep and vast horse culture in the Indus?
c) Why are there no remains of sacrifice and buried chariots which is the custom of
Aryan people?
d) If the Aryans were indigenous to India why is there an absence of such
documentation in the texts and chronicles of other neighboring clans and tribes?
e) Why is there only mention of crremation in the Vedas and not in other
chronicles?
f) Why is there only mention of horse sacrifice only in the Vedas and not in other
chronicles of the other people?
g) Most important of all, how can the Indus possess horses in a vaccum at a time
when other empires did not have them? Did the Indus alone have them? If so
why are there no evidence of trade?
For people who want to change the history of India, they must not only do away with something they find offensive or repugnant , but they must replace it with something of value and authentic. An Aryan Indus is not authentic nor is it being replaced with something of value. It is being replaced by lie. But alas, other than the scholars and historians who really believe in an Aryan Indus , there are others who follow their misguided paths based on their wrong assumptions and mistaken history of India. Other than the history of the Vedas, the geography of the Rigveda is also under fire to suit the claims of those who advocate the Aryan Indus theory. And that is what it will remain a theory.
I now refer Mr. R Goel's " Geography of the Rigveda" published on the Internet on 17/2/03 where he attempted to convince his readers that the Aryans of India are indigenous and that the Indus is Aryan. I personally think that it is an excellent attempt to prove the above but it has it flaws. For one, on page 15, he writes:
That the historical movement of the Vedic Aryans across the Sutudri
Vipas rivers at the time of Sudas, can only be a westward movement.
Now, why would the Vedic Aryans who is supposed to be indigenous to India stop in this area which contains the Cemetery H Culture? This Culture is described by Wikipedia.org on page 1 as the following:
The distinguishing features of this culture include:
a) The use of cremation of human remains. The bones were stored
in painted pottery burial urns. This is completely different to the
Indus civilization where bodies were buried in wooden coffins.
b) Reddish pottery , a completely different pottery to the Indus.
c) Expansion of settlements into the east. This is evidence in
contrast to Goel's east to west scenario. His scenario has
no attestation of such a movement.
d) The cultivation of rice as a crop by the Aryans who learned it
from the Indus people etc.
This is a classic example of the overlaying of a new culture over the old one and of course
the Aryans went through a process of assimilation, linguistic, cultural and political changes from the people they met from the Indus. Mr. Goel's article of Aryans coming from the interior has no foundation since he cannot provide textual attestation that this is so. Whereas, evidence can be provided that the Aryans did come into India and left their mark in the form of culture , cremation, religion and political apparatus etc. But the major flaw in his article is the omission of the horse in the section that he discusses the animals of the Vedas. From page 31, he began to cite the names of animals found in the Vedas and they are the elephant, the buffalo, the bison the peacock and the spotted deer. On page 33 he states:
Further, the names of these animals are purely Aryan Indo-European: the
elephant for example, has four names each of which has a purely Aryan
etymology.
All well and good , but what happened to the horse? Mr. Goel. It seems that you have either forgotten the horse, overlooked it deliberately or chose to ignore it completely. This is the same journalistic transgression most revisionist writers do for the above reason. It is fascinating to see some of them composing histories of India and more or less just devote a few lines to the horse and chariot or chose not to. Maybe I should bring it to the attention of Mr. Goel, if he hasn't noticed it already that his Rigvedic rivers are all confined to the north-west of India and he cannot provide any substantial evidence that the Aryans existed in an indigenous state in India. So if they did as he and other revisionists claim , then where are the attestation for this? Why are the revisionists only arguing for an Aryan Indus from the perspective of textual evidence from the Vedas, supposed evidence from the Indus, from the geography of the Vedic rivers, and not in return for evidence from other parts of India? Can Mr. Goel supply any evidence of Aryan indigenity for the following points?
a) Any concrete evidence of Aryan habitation in India that
can say that Aryans lived here?
b) Any attested sites of cremation and burial of Aryans before 1500BC
c) Remains of their pottery and artifacts.
d) Textual evidence of the supposed Aryan neighboring tribes that
can verify that Aryans once occupied the land before their
supposed migration out of India.
e) That horses and chariots existed in India before the advent of
the Aryans in 1500BC.
If Mr. Goel can provide these answers to the above then he has a case along Talageri et al. These writers and historians though they mean well, are screwed in their logic of trying to paint the Indus as Aryan. Their points of history of India is okay except for a few ideas that are flawed. One is that the Aryan Indus existed since 3500 BC and the other is the migration out of India. The other is the problem of the Sarasvati river and the other is the vexing one of the horse and chariot which has so far eluded them and thus making their theories outdated and impossible and illogical. First we will discuss the Sarasvati river which , since the satellite discovery of its disappearance has been jumped on by the historical writers who are using it to clinch their case to overthrow the Aryan occupation of India. We can see from the location of the Cemetery H civilization and settlements that the Aryans did not come from the East but from the north where they sojourned in Afghanistan. They had to be because Afghanistan ancient Aryan name is Arianna and this is an Aryan name and it is from this region where the Vedic people came from from their journey from Central Asia. One can believe that the rivers of the north-west of India were not named with their present names when the Indus civilization reigned supreme. What these people called the rivers we don't know. But where did the Aryans come up with the name Sarasvati? It only had to come from some river they knew before and when they came into India and saw the river it was already drying up or in it last stages. They called it Sarasvati nevertheless from the one they knew back in Afghanistan. But one may ask why then should they glorify a river with such praise and epithets when probably it does not deserve it. The only logical reason is two fold:
1 ) the Aryan custom of chanting and singing praises
2) the sacredness of the religion and the taboo of changing
words and religious articles of faith
This may sound far fetched but the Aryan custom of chanting praises and verses still exist today as deeply as ever in every facet of its religion. One must remember this is a time of antiquity , an age of deep religious faith, in which verses and certain words chanted in good faith cannot be changed with the snap of a finger and is resisted by the sages, bards and seers of the tradition. We see this even today in the exact measurement of the fire altars which still have the exact length and with from thousands of years, of which not an iota has been altered. Thus , when the Aryans were in Afghanistan the local river which they named Sarasvati were praised and this was written down in the Vedas thousands of years before but was chanted as the same and they knew that the one in India ran to the sea. Nevertheless, they applied the same chanting praise and epithets to it. Perhaps, the Indian Sarasvati still packed some power , since the seasonal monsoon rains and floods probably ravaged the land before it petered out. That is why the Vedas still has the written words because it was handed down thousands of years , exactly as it was first spoken by the preistly Brahmins so long ago. I do not think for one moment a religious people as the Aryans were would worship a completely dried out river with such praises nor anyone in their right minds. Now,we turn to Mr. Goel's theory of an east to west movement for indigenous Aryans of India which is all wrong for I will provide a chart grid to show why this is so viz:
F i r s t M e n t i o n O f S a r a s v a t i I n V e d a s
Name of Historian Earliest BK Hymn Verse Name First Mentioned Of
Witzel 2 41 16 Various Dieties Sarasvati
Revisionists 6 61 1 Sarasvati Sarasvati
F i r s t M e n t i o n O f H o r s e s I n V e d a s
Name of Historian Earliest BK Hymn Verse Name First Mentioned Of
Witzel 2 1 5 Agni Steeds or Horses
Revisionists 6 2 8 Agni Steeds or Horses
F i r s t M e n t i o n O f H o r s e s A n d S a r a s v a t i I n BK ONE
Earliest BK Hymn Verse Name
HORSES 1 3 6 Asvins
SARASVATI 1 3 11 Asvins
RIGVEDA BOOKS IN ORDER OF AGE
Oldest = 2---7
Most Recent = 9
Youngest = 1-- 10
In the above graph the reader will notice that BK 2 which is considered the oldest by Witzel, the Aryans first mention the horse and the river Sarasvati in contrast to that of the revisionist whose BK 6 , the Aryans mention of the horse and river Sarasvati is way down and later in their travels. An animal as important as the horse would be of the utmost importance to the warrior Aryans and would be quickly be in front of any skirmish and worshipped and mentioned in incantations and chantings. The quibble on the subject of horses and chariots, I don't think will end until the revisionists realize that any horse existence at the Indus civilization will have to be accompanied by trade by the Indus people with their surrounding Sumerian and Mesopotamian and Arab trading partners. The finds of terracota horse figuerines and other such resembled figures are close relatives of the horse such as asses, onagers and half asses. The Indus is and was not a horse breeding nor horse riding or driving society. In conclusion, the revisionists should take note that there is no evidence of interaction or integration of the horse and chariot with the people of this civilization as is shown in other societies as Egypt etc. Had it been so, we would have had a wealth of textual attestations, burial remains of horses, trashed artifacts of broken down chariots in the stables and workshops of the Indus. None of this is there , yet they keep coming with all kind of suggestions of bones discovery, remains etc. It is fascinating to see writers alluding to the Indus civilization as Aryan even though, it did not cremate its dead, and its entire society is based on a Dravidian basis and there is not one iota of its history resembling that of the warrior society of the Vedas. You got to read it to believe it.
I will touch briefly on several aspects of the invasion theory as rejected by the revisionists who now want to create an outward migration despite there is no evidence. At least, for the supposed invasion theory of the Aryans there is evidence that there was an incursion into India sometime in antiquity. Dr. Dinesh Agrawal in his internet article dated 10/28/06 on the "Demise of the Aryan Invasion Theory" states the following on page 6:
There is enough positive evidence in support of the religious rites
of the Harappans being similar to those of the Vedic Aryans. ...
indicating continuity and identity of Vedic culture with the
Indus Valley civilization.
I wonder if the Indus people were cremating their dead in their society for their loved ones. when they died. Did the Indus people when they married circled the fire seven times? Did the Indus people sacrificed the horse and gave libations to the gods? What is this continuity and culture did the Indus people maintain with present day ancestors of the Aryans? Come good doctor, can you expound or expand on the above questions. A close look at the two societies shows the gross differences between the two, one an urban and sedate and peaceful civilization and the other a nomadic warrior society always on the move and wherever they came from they left virtually no archaeological record during their journeys. Dr. Agrawal should know that the Indo-Iranians came from the Sintashta and Androvono sites which have proven their habitation there and the Avesta speaks of an Aryan Homeland. The Aryan Hindus probably did not see it proper to include their former homeland in the Vedas and other writings due to the fact that those lands was where they experienced hardships and struggle. The Avesta states this and at times in the Vedas we read of the Ancient Homeland , though no proper name has ever been given. In the case of the horse which has proven to be such a thorn in the sides of the revisionists and historians, Dr. Agrawal should be aware that those bones , if they are horse bones found at the Mature and Late Harappan are the remains of either asses or onagers or horses from the conquering Aryans. There is no attestation of the Indus people interacting with the horse or evidence of its integration in Indus society. Mr. Asko Parpola has stated over and over again that horses did not exist at the Indus and that the writings and seals of the Indus people are Dravidian in origin. Thus , the Indus is Dravidian for they did not practice Aryan customs in their society. They buried their dead. Only time will tell when the revisionists will have to accept the fact that the Indus is Dravidian.
We now come to grips with that doyen of Out of India theory , Mr. Shrikant Talageri with his latest account of an Aryan migration to the Near East. Europe and beyond. A theory of migration involves the reason and circumstances why a people should migrate out of India , especially if there is enough food , plenty of land, resources for everyone , the painful separation of loved ones and a host of other inconviences involved with such an operation. This is a theory flung out by Talageri to give plausible cause and reason for the similarities between Sanskrit and the various European languages. For if there is no migration , how can Mr. Talageri explain as well as others the such phenomena. Therefore at the behest , I presume of those in India, an outward outflow of Indians from India to various parts of the world would account for the similarities of Indian and European languages. Talageri in his book "The Rigveda, a Historical Analysis" states that the homeland of the Indo-Iranians is located: (Page 81 , The Indo-Iranian Homeland?
in the area stretching from and including Uttar Pradesh in the
east to and including southern and eastern Afghanistan in the west.
This is the area which represents the common Indo-Iranian homeland
(His italics)
Nice try but wrong and wrong again. In analysing something like this especially the homeland of a people and nation , there are several factors that has to satisfy the writers and historians. Archaeologists will have to prove that habitation of the former occupiers are authentic and that their tools , implements and weapons that they had used were the same as the old ones discarded in the former habitation. For example, the sites of the Sintashta and a host of other areas , archaeologists have uncovered buried wheels and chariots of the same size and make, sacrifices of horses and others coincide with present practices etc. Is this the same case for the Aryans exodus from India? Did they emigrate with the same tools and weapons as those they left behind? Did they leave chronicles of writing behind that in the future would correlate with their language? Did they have a language when they migrated? As far as the record shows the Aryans before they set down in writing in Sanskrit , they chanted their words rites for thousands of years. Did they leave vestiges of lifestyle in India of their society and can this be found? What part of India did they live and who were their closest neighbors? If and when they came back to India , did they bring back a variety of languages and dialects? Also, if they brought back the Indo-European language grammar to form Sanskrit , why aren't the languages of the Indus and other parts of India do not have an Indo- European base? And why is India's basic indigenous languages mostly Dravidian in origin. and no influence of Sanskrit? It is the other way around, the Sanskrit language is virtually swamped by these other languages. If the Dravidians and Aryans did live in peace from time immemorial , why is the north predominantly Aryan in contrast to the South.? The historical analysis don't seem to fit and Talageri's thesis is outdated and irrelavant and cannot stand close scrutiny. An indigenous Aryan India would have seen an explosion of horses and chariots throughout the country from such long occupation. Instead, the archaeological record cannot stand up to this data or evidence. There are no vast burial sites, no evidence of cremation , no evidence of horse sacrifices and no evidence of prolonged habitation of Aryans and their influence in India before the advent of the first intrusion of Aryans in 1500BC. Talageri's theory is dead in the water for the Rigveda description of horse head sacrifices are now being excavated on the steppes of Russia in those vast burial sites once occupied by nomadic Aryans.
Strange as it may seen, when presented with evidence of an Aryan intrusion the revisionists refuse to believe the evidence before their eyes but when their followers are presented with non attested migration out of India , they accept it lock, stock and barrel.
So it is with the enigmatic problem of the Indus scripts which has defied exhausted attempts at decipherments despite such alleged claims by revisionists. And they are not giving up because if they do their masters will be displeased and thus the Aryan Indus theory cannot be proved. Other than the horse and chariot problem, the language problem has plagued the intellect of the revisionists who cannot seem to get around these problems. As if that is not enough, in comes Mr. Asko Parpola one of the most gifted archaeologists with his findings that the inscriptions on the seals and scripts are indeed Dravidian in origin. This in part can be confirmed in fact by the discovery of an ancient stone axe with Indus markings of Dravidian origins. It was not good news for the likes of Frawley et al! The discovery of more writings at the Indus would certainly kill the case for an Aryan Indus, since such writings would increase the character of the Indus as of Dravidian origin. The attempt to link Aryan Sanskrit to the Indus script has taken a nose-dive and revisionists are nervous about the outcome. The presence of Mr. Parpola is apparently resented by such scholars for he could be the harbinger of bad news. In his article on the Internet published and read in 2005 at the ICES Tokyo session , titled, : Study of the Indus Script:
this eminent and highly respected scholar on the international scene and among his peers writes the following on pages 46,48 subtitled "The Language Problem" the following:
The language problem is most crucial. If the language of the Indus
script belong to a language family not known from other sources,
the Indus script can never be deciphered. Compare the case of the
Etruscan: though written in an easily read alphabetic script, this
isolated language is not much understood beyond the texts covered by
copious translations. But as the Harappan population numbered
around one million, there is a fair chance that traces of the language(s)
have survived in the extensive Vedic texts composed by Indo-Aryan
speakers who came to the Indus Valley from Central Asia during the
second millennium BCE. Aryan languages have been spoken in the
Indus Valley ever since, but an Aryan language could not have been
spoken by large numbers of Mature Harappan people. The culture
reflected in the Rigvedic hymns is quite dissimilar from the Indus
Civilization. Particularly important is the fact that the domesticated
horse has played an important role in the culture of the Indo-Iranian
speakers, and there is no unambiguous evidence for the presence of
Equus caballus in South Asia before the second Millennium BCE.
.........Historically, the most likely candidate for the written majority
language of the Harappans is Proto-Dravidian. The 26 members of
Dravidian language family are now mainly spoken in Central and South
India. However, one Dravidian language , Brahui, has been spoken in
Balochistan for at least a thousand years, as far as the historical sources
go. Even areal linguistics of South Asia supports the hypothesis that the
Indus language belonged to the Dravidian family. The retroflex consonants,
which constitute the most diagnostic feature of the South Asian linguistic
area, can be divided into two distinct groups, and one of these groups are
distributed over the Indus Valley as well as the Dravidian speaking areas.
Most importantly, numerous loanwords and even structural borrowings from
Dravidian have been identified in Sanskrit texts composed in northwestern
India at the end of the second and first half of the first millennium BCE,
before any intensive contact between North and South India. External
evidence thus suggests that the Harappans most probably spoke a
Dravidian language. Tools for such reconstructing Proto-Dravidian are
available.
Well, here we have it from an expert in languages who has dedicated his life's work on the languages of India and which has not sound too pleasing to the ears of the revisionist scholars and which would spell defeat for their theory of an Aryan Indus. Mr. Parpola is in
essence saying that Sanskrit could not be the language of the Indus civilization due to the simple fact that Dravidian language could not be the root of the language of the Vedas. The IE language is an overlaying stratum with loan words punctuating its flanks and underside. Apparently, revisionist scholars are not satisfied with this evidence and several of them have claimed decipherments that loudly proclaim that the language of the Indus has been broken to reveal its Sankritist nature. They all have failed. I can't for one moment visualizing the people of the Indus speaking Sanskrit , without being in possession of the chariot, the horse or observing the sacrifices and libations of its religious ritual. Its very queer isn't it? Since so much has been written on Aryan languages, I will now turn to another subject which so much has also been written and that is the horse. But this time Mr. Parpola will be the new reference for its presence in India Thus, on page 3-4 of the article dated 2005, and titled :
The Nasatyas, the Chariot and the Proto-Aryan religion: of ICES conference in Japan under the subtitle Origin and dispersal of the horse drawn chariot: he writes,
Whether the horse drawn chariot originated in the steppes in the Sintashta /
Arkaim culture or in the Near East is a debated issue, but Stuart Piggot has
has suggested a reasonable compromise that may settle the matter.
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