June 27, 2006

How Pakistani Punjabis Perceive Sikh Girls ?

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I had decided a while ago that I should write this e-mail, but other things always came first. Today i read something very shocking on an e-group, about bibian going out with muslim boys. What was most shocking was that people on the group just seemed to accept this. But can I ask why do we accept this?

In the last few years, I have become quite involved with some of these situations, not intentionally, but by accident. As some of you may know I now live in Leeds, which is right next to Bradford (Mini-Pakistan). Over the last year, when I went to some of the local Gurdwaras ( there are many), I would occasionally get distraught parents come up to me telling me to talk to their children. The reason they asked me, because I can speak english, british-born sikh, who attempts to practice. It started off with one girl who said she madly wants to marry a muslim boy, her parents will not agree, so they brought her to talk to me. Naturally I was a bit shocked, but I spoke to her at the gurdwara. She told me how much they loved each other, she was going to convert and they were going to marry. I asked her if he really did love her. She said yes. I said, "You are going to convert for him, out of love. I do not ask him to take Amrit, but will he, out of love for you, just come to the gurdwara, and just bow in front of Sahib Siri Guru Granth sahib ji. Surely if you can convert for him, he can do this much for you?"

To cut the story short, he would not. She stuck by him, two weeks later ran off with him. They were not seen for six weeks, until she came home, after he had dumped her for another girl. Two other cases came to me, different in structure, but similar storyline. Eventually, I thought enough is enough. I went on the gurdwara stage and spoke about muslims, panjabi girls, fundamental muslim groups, etc. Guru Maharaj de kirpa, the sangat responded, an ever-expanding youth group has been set-up, we did the shabad-Guru samagam,which included a youth camp,in which this subject was particularly discussed. Now the youth are getting ready to create mass education on Sikhi in this area, as this was seen as a starting point.

I KNOW THIS IS A LONG E-MAIL, BUT IMPORTANT. PLEASE READ ON.

Since the smamgam, because of the camp I have had another 4 cases. I know maharaj will help all those who need it. But I have noticed a pattern which i what I want to share. Every situation is different, different ages, environment, etc. But one fundamental pattern.

There are two types of muslim boys;
FUNDAMENTAL MUSLIM - these usually belong to particular groups. They do not care for the individuals, they look at who she is. They target sikh,hindu,christain and jewish girls. Romancing, flattery, games, etc, to get these in girls in their circle, leading towards conversion. Shocking as it may seem these boys truely believe if they convert a non-muslim into Islam, then they will be Mukt. (Liberated)
NON-RELIGIOUS MUSLIMS - they care little about religion, for them it is a social thing. If they go out with pakistani girls and get them pregnent, their community forces them to get married. They do not want to get married, but just go with girls. So they INTENTIONALLY pick sikh/hindu/white girls, because they can do what they want, there is no comeback. If the girls get pregnent, their community does not care, these are just cheap girls for their boys to use as they grow up. They are not pakistani muslim girls, who are pure. hence the pakistani community a major superiority complex over the others.

PUNJABI GIRLS - Notice i call them punjabi, because they have little knowledge on Sikhi, and no practice. The pattern I have found in the girls is what i call the "Bollywood Concept". These girls wholeheartedly believe love will conquer all. As in films, there is a social divide, their parents are against it, their community is against, but no matter love will always win. However these poor girls get a reality check, when the boy`s sisters, mother and other family do not want this "cheap" girl" in their family. Or the boy has had his fun and wants to move on to the next girl, or get maried to a respectable girl. Love suddenly disappears, and she is left humilliated in front of her friends, family and community FOR LIFE, because people do not forget.

I am not racist. I know punjabi boys are just as bad. But we as a community have got to look at how muslims percieve us. They do target punjabi girls, because they are considered easy. Many years ago, A hindu brahmin journalist wrote in a national newspaper, "The Daily Telegraph" that sikh girls are the most uninhibited, ie.(cheap), in the asian community. Fundamental muslim do target sikh girls, they are desparate for a dastaar wale girl just to humiliate sikhs. How are we as a community reacting. Why do we accept this? Why are our girls so niave that they think everything is so innocent. Why do they play games?

the muslim community here, has a major problem of pakistani girls running away with non-muslims, due to seeing the hypocrisy and attitudes of muslims boys. However the are trying to tackle the situation, hence have a £5million pound grant for a school for muslim girls.

We as sikhs look at Sarbat da bhalla (consideration for all mankind). But we also have realise not everyone else is like that. We as a community cannot tolerate our community to be precieved in this way. We are not cheap or asain trash. The sikh community should be the most moral, upstanding, hardworking, civilised and sophisticated society as created by our Guru`s. THAT IS OUR STANDARD.

A benti to everyone, have some self-respect! Especially to all the Bibian, do not let girls who are your friends behave like this. Say something. Educate them. It is not innocently going to the cinema with some boys, who happen to be muslims. The deeper they go the more they get burned.

I know alot of people may not like this e-mail, or will disagree with it. Some people may say there is not a problem. If you go to any college, uni, etc, you will see there is a problem. DO YOUR COMMUNITY A FAVOUR, DO NOT ACCEPT IT!!!!!

158 comments:

Anonymous said...

Such a sad indictment on those that wrote the article if the only way that they can inspire people to come towards their community and faith is such pathetic sterotyping and shallow argumentation.

Follow our religion because people from other religions are bad and out to get you.

Sounds like a crisis in that community!

Anonymous said...

i may not be a muzlim but i know so much to tell tht this is bull. if somebody does such thinks they should not even be considered muslim rather a person who is insulting the religion

Anonymous said...

I am currently going out with a sikh women and i am muslim and if she ever asked me to go to the gurdwara i would happily do it.
Also i have never told her to convert becuase i fell in love with a sikh not a muslim so i wouldn't want to change anyway.
But if she wanted me to convert i would do it with out a thought because all religions have the same fundamentals which is knowing right from wrong.
So i disagree with your opinion which is based on select few individuals.

Anonymous said...

This is a true fact! As a punjabi munda i have seen it noticed it but why do all our punjabi girls go for muslim boys its simple. Its becasue muslim boys are sweet to face after having what they want with sikh girls they go find another one. Sikh girls are just lonely, want TLC and affection then before you know it she has droped her kuchi (pants) through lust and "BOLLYWOOD LOVE" and she so dumb she can't see it he just wants to fuck. i have seen and known many apni kurriyeh go for these kind of people i tried to stop it, i stop a few but theres so much i can do and so much more their parents should do.

And apna munde do this too but i am not to bothered to see a sikh couple i dnt mind but if one uses the other then they should get punished! Dont these girls ever think what im i going to say to my husband when he sees no blood on their suhaag raat, out of all of this the people that get hurt the most is her future husband, family and mostly herself

Anonymous said...

In responce to the last comment it sounds like this gentleman is living in the dark ages and had expressed their view in rude and crude way.Punjabi gals that go for punjabi "mudah" can also be used and is often taken advantage of bysomeone who "just wants to fuck" as you put it. It is stereotypical to say that this is just applicable to Muslim men. I agree that ther are some Muslim men who may take advantage of a gal in this way but there are also dirty Sikh, white, Chinease , Black men that would do the same!!

Ps if your living in this day and age i dont think men expect to see blood on their suhaag raat..these days are long gone... I know my male syblings (who respect the Sikh identity and tradition) certainly do not. Times are changing I believe you should mary into your own religion to avoid upsetting older family members and soo all religions in their own right can grow but i do not believe in placing typical uneducated stereotypes upon all Muslims or all Sikhs for that matter.

Sidhusaaheb said...

This is indeed true that our girls are perceived in this way.

It is also correct that many Sikh young men also behave in the manner attributed to Muslim young men in this blog entry.

But then is it not true that Sikhs, in general, do not have the kind of self respect that they once used to have?

The fact that they are treated as second-grade citizens in India, which is supposed to be their own country, is attributable to this to a certain degree, I believe.

Young Sikh men and women seem almost ashamed of the fact they were born into Sikh families and often try to make a conscious effort to eliminate all overt signs and symbols that can cause them to be identified as Sikhs.

It is a sad state of affairs.

The lack of role models and lack of inspiring leadership could be among the reasons for this.

Anonymous said...

damn you all are stupid...and especially you muslims a advice for you...just keep on what you were doing...like marry your sisters...cauz arent you suppose to be "BHANCHODS"--SISTER FUCKERS...not to be rude...but this is what you will do in the end so dont play drama

Anonymous said...

I am a muslim who is dating a hindu gal and would never ask her to convert to my religion and she knows there is no way id convert to hers! and islam is spread peacefully! take evone ridley for instance kept detained by the taliban, they didnt force her, they didnt seduce her,she was never threathened. they just asked her to research islam, and thats what she did, and mashallah she has converted now to islam!! Iv met some hindu and sikh women who have converted to islam, yes they are a few who do it purely for love, But they are also some who do it because they have found the right path to paradise! and till this day I have never met anyone who has been forced in to islam!! so I cant help but feeling that this sikh girls forced conversion is fabricated! I mean what is more demeaning to sikh family, there daughter dating a muslim boy or there daughter converting to islam? even I know the answer to that! one may end up with a beating and the other would most probably get her killed! why would a girl decide to convert and really piss her family off?

Anonymous said...

"I am not racist. I know punjabi boys are just as bad. But we as a community have got to look at how muslims percieve us."
Islam is a religion, not a race. So that doesn't make you a racist, that makes you a bigot. You are the same race as a Muslim Punjabi.

Quoting an opinion piece in "The Daily Telegraph" doesn't gain you any ground.

It is people like you who divide this world. If there is mingling among religions, then let it happen.

And you can't collectively label another community's thought based on a few of your own token experiences. You only hear the problems, not the successes nor those who hold neutral or positive opinions of your community.

Go get an education!

Anonymous said...

Hey, I was just browsing as I heard sometime back about these atrocities happening on sikh and hindu gals in briton. Yeah I can see how this bollywood thing is working on our desi gals, and I have seen this in usa for long time, no body really care to read or learn about their religion. I am sure whoever read qoran, definitely likes it coz it tells about how to lead life, but please guys open your eyes, we hindus also have a novel called Gita, which was there centuries put together before ur soo called mohammad even born. Try to read once, you will never ever call or say islam is great or something something. many of the things are already told in Gita and more than what you can read in qoran..,

Whoever it is, first try to undertsand, learn and read about ur own religion then decide what is best. I am sure every religion tells the same thing, if you cant be a human to another human, there is no use what religion you follow.

About exploiting sikh and hindu gals, dont worry we are settling the score silently in India, we mostly use muslim gals as cocumbines. But we dont force conversion, basically we dont need. We have the capability to produce.

Have fun, read about ur own religion first.., do justice for it.

Anonymous said...

I showed this to my sikh mates and my sikh gf who are phd students and they just started laughing...

Im sorry but your email along with a couple of nutters in the response section is racist.

dont hate, it'll get you no where in life!

Anonymous said...

It's concubine u FOB
settling the score? in ur dreams fobsters!

Anonymous said...

All students in my class are asian mostly sikhs and hinuds and like 3-4 pakistanis. There were 10 sikhs and 5 hindus tryin it wid this gal to no avail and she came to me and now weve been goin out for 6 months, the sikhs and hindus hate but i dont give a shit as long as the galdem go no problem u lot can suck on it

u said sikh girls are lonely and need TLC, well mafukka give em some then innit!!!

Anonymous said...

I am so amazed at the patriarchal spouting here - its the women who are unintelligent and follow the muslim men.........The Sikh boys are not affected by this extremist religion at all????
This is a serious subject which needs to be confronted for ALL YOUNG SIKHS. We need to ensure that our future generations are aware of our beautiful religion and can rejoice in Sikhi... We Sikh girls do not require your protection and can be intelligent and strong enough to resist any kind of tyrannical male domination -- whether it be from Islam or our own culture. Guru Nanak Devji created us EQUAL.

Anonymous said...

I just read your email and precisely i dont think its all true.I am a muslim girl aswell.I dont think ALL muslim guys decieve punjabi girls.Im not saying all muslim guys are perfect.There are many good and bad people in this world.Their are also sikh and hindu guys who play around with girls not only pakistani guys.So u gotta think before u write something..

Anonymous said...

This is ridiculous i am a punjabi sikh girl and i think people like these musim boys should be arrested and tortured to death i don't know why they do this .

Anonymous said...

^^^^^^ for sex ! anyways if these thing happen the individual should be mature/enough to take the decisions.

if not then parents should be mature enough to raise their kids to become confident individuals in life.
i see many people just fell in love ,get married and have kids without even thinking of the needs and environment a child needs..there are many couples..look at the poor people for example their children hate them because their parents brought them to this world and have nothing(money,educated,hygienic society) to make them a good individual ..

long story cut short..good and bad thing follow hand in hand..but we should be mature enough to make the right decision..as for those sikh girls who suffered , they will be mature enough for further life but after paying a high price ..! sigh !

Anonymous said...

Personally speaking..Im a Sikh and have dated many muslim,exp pakistani girls at my university which pakistani boys couldnt get no matter how hard they try. and see the trend in london growing as women from muslim communities are given greater freedom. Also I wouldnt worry as the pakistani punjabis are lower caste darker skinned converts who try and stop their lighter skinned women from mixing with other groups out of fear of loosing them. Carry on having our ugly dark plain skinned girls we dont mind..most super-fit girls especially sikh girls are arrogant and too stuck up to date muslim males because of their pride in themselevs. If you think everything I wrote is bullshit ask a random selection of people in london and they will tell u the same thing I have. The tides turned. Theres no doubting Sikh Men are lighter,taller,stronger than pakistani punjabis who look like atif aslam so its only natural your women want us.

Anonymous said...

As far as up north is concerned maybe the muslim pakistanis are doing well..but not in London. Also notice I said Pakistani PUNJABI boyz not pathans,afghans etc..why would they want punjabi muslim/sikh women? They already got the best!

Anonymous said...

whats all this , do you really think this that these are only muslim boys who do so,being a sikh i know what the hell some punjabi boys do ,can you take that to this part also .............

here no one is divided ,GOD ,Guru Nanak ji hadnt divided us instead of this ,they brought all religions to same level....

these are the people who do wrong and divide themselves ,

in this world everyone is not pure ,even punjabi boys ,

so this thing not go with muslims or sikhs or hindu boys only ,.................

everywhere is like this ,so dont take this only to muslim boys ..........damn dont forget this world is originated by THE GOD , HE is one ,so we are children of HIM , all are equal ,no one is superior or inferior .....,
so i personaaly disagree with this nonsense , i dont agree with only muslim boys ,there are many boys of our religion too ....................so its all nonsense
you may have encountered many incidents but if you go on observing in punjabi boys ,you will see many cases ,like this............so see this in punjabi boyssssssssssssssss

Anonymous said...

I hate googling this question because all you see are comments made by people who belong in the middle ages.
My "muslim" boyfriend is a normal person...he doesn't have scales on his skin or some hidden agenda with me.
A nice peaceful person, is what I am attracted to...sometimes the person is a good person whether sikh, hindu or muslim...and they can't help but attract love into their lives wherever they go. That is why I love and admire my muslim boyfriend.

I am a proud Sikh...and I have learned enough about my religion to fully appreciate what Sikhs hundreds of years ago and still today fight for. I would not convert to Islam at this moment at least because my identity is as a Sikh woman, and that is what my boyfriend loves. Also, I believe in a relationship the two individuals must get along and respect one another...bottom line, not only be based on social affiliations.

I think when things dont fit into people's categories they get angry.

Anonymous said...

As a Punjabi Gal(Proud)...I Understand Wat Every1 Else Has Written But The Truth Is That Most Muslim Boys Do Flirt Wiv Gals Lyk Us..(Iv Been Out Wiv A Few And 2b Honest....There Bitches!!!!!)

They Jus Wana Get Close 2 Yu N Fuck Yu

My Parents Have Taught Me To Have Self Respect N Respect My Religion So At My Age Im Still A Virgin

So Advice 2 Most Sikh Gals (Not All...If Yur Happy Wiv A Muslim Guy Then So B It)But 2 Others............Dnt Mingle Wiv Muslim Guys

Punjabi Guys R Bitches At Tyms But The More Yu Get 2 Kno Them They Nicer 2 Yu...Trus Me

Oh Nd Im Not Sum Middle Aged Person...Im Onli 19 Becomin 20!!!

Anonymous said...

As a Punjabi Gal(Proud)...I Understand Wat Every1 Else Has Written But The Truth Is That Most Muslim Boys Do Flirt Wiv Gals Lyk Us..(Iv Been Out Wiv A Few And 2b Honest....There Bitches!!!!!)

They Jus Wana Get Close 2 Yu N Fuck Yu

My Parents Have Taught Me To Have Self Respect N Respect My Religion So At My Age Im Still A Virgin

So Advice 2 Most Sikh Gals (Not All...If Yur Happy Wiv A Muslim Guy Then So B It)But 2 Others............Dnt Mingle Wiv Muslim Guys

Punjabi Guys R Bitches At Tyms But The More Yu Get 2 Kno Them They Nicer 2 Yu...Trus Me

Oh Nd Im Not Sum Middle Aged Person...Im Onli 19 Becomin 20!!!

Anonymous said...

Look at all of these mans calling themselves as punjabi tinking dat onli sikhs are punjabis.
im pakistani punjabi, when india and pakistan were created in 1947 punjab was divided into 2 and guess wat pakisyan got the bigger part.
assi be punjabi han!
an hueva caled us bain chode.
man das y ur gals cum to us coz u sum fukin hilly billy cunt.

in brum ders bare muslim and sikh punjabi's, da reason dey go out wiv each other is coz dey share culture and dey dnt date hindus dat much coz dey dnt share culture and zabaaan with them.

o yh most pakistanis in this country are punjabi and also JATT too, so hates us if u wan buh u knw we b runnin shit round here.

peace yo x

Anonymous said...

teri pan nu lan salia.how dare u 2 call us bahan chud.pan k lore teri ma yad k rakh dan ge asi.puter asi vi pakistani punjabi jutt han.so b care ful.

danial said...

you maderchud hindus dont mess wid pakiz.its just da fault of da biches which u kept at your homez.think b4 u write sth.pakistani boys r very nice.

Anonymous said...

Looking at all of the above comments and many others on the Internet leaves me feeling sorry for both the new generations of so called Sikhs and so called Muslims and I feel even more sorry for your grand parents. I actually believe that the first generation of true Muslims and Sikhs that came here in the 1940’s – 1950’s had greater respect for themselves as human beings and each others’ religions. Nowadays both Sikhs and Muslims have lost their paths and unfortunately have gone in the opposite direction.

I read the first article at the top of the page (how this blog started) and I must firstly stress that it is evil and immoral to use another girl from your own or another culture for sexual purposes. I also stress that it is illogical and immoral to convert or sleep with a person in order to gain acceptance in the next life, among your friends or from your family.

Secondly after reading this blog and many others I want to stress my viewpoint that “ALL RELIGIONS INCLUDING ISLAM AND SIKHISM HAVE MANY CONTRADICTIONS.”

When you read on you will realize that both SIKHISM and ISLAM have many positive things in common and with the same brush many negative traits. This is not a bigoted view of the religions and I do not believe that all SIKHS and MUSLIMS are hypocrites, (just lots of them!). This is not written to cause offence. I just need to stress the truth; which can harm no one except those in self denial who have strayed from the true path of god.

READ ON….I PROMISE YOU WILL SEE THE TRUTH

ISLAM AND CONTRADICTIONS TO THE ORIGINAL QURAN:

INEQUALITY AND CASTE SYSTEMS: The Quran views all mankind as equal, but throughout the world many different sects and castes have evolved making the oneness in Islam a diluted reality and in-fighting is now the norm. Some Muslim women are also viewed as second class beings, whom must be kept covered and dominated by some of their Muslim brothers (who can never be true Muslims if they are sexist).

MOSQUES: are full of imams who sometimes are not concerned with real issues in Islam but instead just want to follow status quo and never progress the Quran to the contemporary (the real present world). Muhammad never stressed once that God can be found in Mosques yet so many have been conveniently built in his name, like Sikh Temples and Churches. So you need to understand that places of worship and religion itself are just political landscapes upon which to control people masquerading as places of God. Mankind must help each other through charitable means, yet some Imams and leaders just want to make themselves rich and their families look good in the name of God. Despite the efforts of the police and the outcry of the Muslim community there are also terrorist circles operating within some Mosques. Jihad is from within not in the outer world.

MARRYING COUSINS: The Quran stresses that man and woman has been created by God as greater intelligent beings and clearly distinguishes between animals; arguing that we serve a greater purpose on Earth. Yet why are cousins having sex with cousins. We are not animals left in a cage to inbreed but freely walking and intelligent beings! I blame some Muslim males who just want to follow their lustful ways on females within their families. It’s argued that keeping it in the family keeps the women secure and family bonds tight. This is make belief, it is perverted, incestuous and in Muhammad’s eyes satanic to marry another member of their own family. This needs to be corrected and thus Arabs on this point are often ashamed of their Pakistani brothers.

HONOUR KILLINGS: The Quran never justifies honour killings and does believe in forgiveness. It also believes that men and women are the same; however this is not the reality. Women cannot have four husbands, and are looked down upon or even sometimes beaten if they look at other men. Some families both Sikh and Muslim have considered women as less worthy of living if they decide to fall in love and follow their heart.

CAPITALISM AND MATERIALISM: have set in massively within the newer generations within a proportion of the Muslim community so that a nice car, big house or bling is the sole measurer of prosperity. This is perhaps the reason why so many Muslim lads in the new generation are coerced to deal drugs and ashamed families often have to cover it up and pick up the pieces when their young go to prison. Islam does not value anything in this world apart from the life we have been blessed with and that we will never take anything to the after life. In car parks you see vehicles that have Islamic emblems, some of them embroidered artistically on the body work. God can only be found in your soul not on your chavved up Skyline. So many Muslims in the new generations just care about material possessions. Such hypocrites of Islam.

ALCOHOL, TAKING AND DEALING DRUGS AND EATING ARAAM MEAT has become such a trend among the new generations in the so called Muslim community that efforts to find a true Muslim are often futile. Also the very same people who do these ARAAM acts also claim to be the most patriotic Muslims, but when it comes to the crunch are very afraid to fight for their cause (or else they would be in Iraq).

SIKHISM AND CONTRADICTIONS TO GURU NANAKS CORE TEACHINGS:

CASTE SYSTEMS: The Khalsa views all as the same yet there are so many different sects of castes that have evolved that the truth of oneness in Sikhism has been diluted. It is only when you possess many businesses and houses can you be accepted to marry a different Sikh caste, otherwise you are massively opposed by the opposite family. There are so many people who call themselves Jats in England which is engraved on Gold necklaces, and even on the KHANDA. How blasphemous and I know none who are Jats of England; i.e. they have no farms in England and the very same ones who carry the big Jat medallions often live with their mom or dad.

GURUDWARA are massively moving away from Baba Nanaks core teachings and just involve Granthis who just chant the Granth repetitively. Guru nanak did not believe that such routines will bring one closer to god and argued that actions speak louder than words. Guru Nanak specifically disagreed with Hindu temples and Mosques arguing that God can never be found in one place and that God is EVERYWHERE. Guru Nanak also stressed that he is not God, yet so many Sikhs just repeat his name as if he is the creator. Guru Nanak thus in principle disagreed with Temples and the systematic routines within religion even though after his passing a religion and many temples have been built in his name. Gurudwareh in todays society are also often filled with people that either want to show off and gossip. I have met countless Singhs (who are not real Singhs) who have taken Amrit yet still drink alcohol and eat meat, sleep with girls and so on…I have seen people in Sikh temples look down on other castes, smoke, fight and generally act so disrespectful. I have seen old women belittle people that could only afford to put say ten pence when they bow down before the Guru Granth Sahib.

HONOUR KILLINGS: The Guru Granth never justifies honour killings and that men and women are the same. I have seen so much sexism where boys can go out with whoever, yet the girls must be kept at home. I must stress that Sikhs and Hindus do carry out honour killings it’s just that they are kept undercover. The media also doesn’t report the happenings because at the moment they like to portray Islam negatively instead of Sikhism. I have even met senior members of the Shere Panjab who have boasted that they have raped and punished Sikh girls who have been known to go out with Muslims. This is not Sikhism and the Shere Panjab are not true Singh’s of Panjab.

CAPITALISM AND MATERIALISM: are a predominant factor that defines whether a Sikh is worthy of recognition. Guru Nanak threw down all riches given to him by Rajas and Kings and stressed that we will never take our possessions and monetary gains into the after life. Yet why is it that every time Sikhs meet it is the Bling, the nice car and numerous businesses that must be the true measure of success. And again…Some Sikhs in the next generation also deal drugs to gain such possessions. A futile living…

ALCOHOL, TAKING AND DEALING DRUGS AND EATING MEAT is perhaps the biggest flaw in Sikhism. Alcohol has become such a trend in Sikhism that if one refuses it, they are seen as un-cool. Sikhs and Muslims in the newer generations try drugs as if it’s a norm. Some Sikhs believe that it is okay to eat meat that is not Halal. They are so blinded by hate that they forget that Sikhs must respect ALL LIVING BEINGS and that all meat is forbidden. I have already stressed that some Sikhs and Muslims deal drugs, this is a fact, and it is tolerated because no-one wishes to do anything about it. Including the Imams, Granthis or general public.

IN CONCLUSION

I have seen so called Sikhs who wear turbans and act like Lions on blogging pages on the Internet. With the same brush I have seen so called Muslims claim also to be manly and to punish anyone who questions them. Yet all I can say is that in calling yourself Muslim or Sikh I think you should actually follow through and be your religion and not be hypocritical because you are using Gods name in vain.

I have seen both sides. I used to practice and fight for the Sikh cause but I never had any true Sikh willing to be a Shaheed who stood behind me. I never saw Baba Nanak’s teachings in Sikh temples in their true fruition. I have seen the Muslim side and equally seen cowards not willing to stand up and fight and again seen too many contradictions. Perhaps the Hindus were right; this is the Kala Yuga; the dark-age where everything goes in the opposite direction so that we are close to the end. Perhaps the Muslims would agree and say that Judgment day is upon us. I personally disagree with both and follow Guru Nanak Jis core teachings everyday to work hard and take each day as it comes and respect all. Like Guru Nanak I don’t believe that God can be found in (SIKH/HINDU) Temples or (MUSLIM) Mosques or (Christian) Churches. God is not found through saying chants or through following specific routines. It is in your positive actions can you realize that which is unknown. Therefore I have read the Quran, Bible, Guru Granth Sahib and the Karballah. It is important to learn each others religions because man is one. I refuse to call myself a SIKH, MUSLIM, CHRISTIAN or JEWISH because in contemporary times everyone is hypocritical. As long as I can see myself within Guru Nanak’s eyes as a learner (i.e. sek) then that is enough. Religions all have the same core concepts which have been massively ignored in society, every day and especially on the Internet.

God is Everywhere.

I hope I put things in perspective.

Anonymous said...

Just wish to say how relieved I am to hear from the anonymous guy dated August 27, 2008 9:47 PM. I was born to liberal Sikh parents and have grown up as an atheist but just as my parents I believe I and my brother live a more moral and ethical life than any self proclaimed religious person. Do these dumb false Sikhs believe that the great Baba Nanak may would have stopped any Sikh girl from loving a man from another religion. Until his death he tried to drill into dull heads that every person is human, full stop, ascribing anything more to a human was a fallacy. He also said, as Mahatma Buddha did, think for yourself, DO NOT FOLLOW ME: Have an intellect which every person educated in a university or not is endowed with. It’s said he would get so infuriated with bigoted followers that he would to smite them with a cane. Anyway, he had the advantage of being the youngest in historical terms of all the reformers and had the benefit of taking the best from Buddhism, Jainism, Judaism Christianity, Islam and being a Bedi ( a Vedic, a student of the Vedas) He knew how Brahmins had exploited their position as had priests of any other religion over a period of established religious dominance. It’s also important to understand that any religious text is in the strictest sense truly relevant in its detail to the period when it was written. In a crucial sense all religions are fairly similar. It’s difficult to describe what we call Hinduism a religion as it’s not any one thing but an invitation to contemplate on all phenomenon.

Anonymous said...

you guys chat shit about muslim guys, we go clubbing now and then, we never tend to ask a girl if she is sikh, no, we go for whom we find ourselves attracted to, in this case most asian woman in clubs tend to be indian, and they end up with us that way, we aint targetting them, anyway, about muslims trying to convert sikh girls, thats not true, see thing is we arent even allowed to have a relationship with a pagan woman, if we decide to she has to convert to islam, otherwise the marriage will be void, meaning we are married outside wedlock without nikkah, so shut this crap, my 2 cousins who are married to sikhnis, these girls never converted and the guys are in dilemma now because their kids dont know which religion they are from, but slowly they are finding the truth of islam because they growing up and understanding things, their children are definately haraam in this sence, by the way i heard an idiot on this blogg talk about how we forced indians in the past to islam, what kind of crap are you talking, islam is the fastest growing faith on earth, every week in my mosque in london theirs some convert from either sikhism, hinduism, christianity, judaism white, black and they are all guys, think we put a sword or forced them to, dickheads, and by the way, there was this sikh girl in southall who married a pakistani and she converted, although her man was a player and left her, she still says she will remain a muslim

saba said...

This whole blog is a load of bollocks.

Firstly the person who wrote it sounds extremely iliterate and can barely type in English.

Secondly, she has classed all Muslim boys into 2 groups. It doesn't take Einstein to work out that that in itself is impossible. Both of these groups have been accused of living their sad and sorry lives for the purpose of using and abusing sikh women. What about everyone else? What category do they fall into? Or does every Muslim man have these sick intentions?

People are very quick to say 'I haven't got anything against muslims, but' or 'We shouldn't generalise, but' then they'll go and generalise/stereotype against the whole religion anyway.

Granted, there are some very poor 'Muslim' men who give Islam a controversal reputation; by poor I mean poorness of character; but generalising does nothing but create hatred in your own heart and between communities of the 2 religions.

I have an uncountable amount of stories about how women have been taken advantage of by men in other faith groups and it would be easy to point the finger, name and shame or generalise but then I would end up looking just as ignorant as the person who wrote this blog.

Anonymous said...

Pakistani's are giving all Muslims a bad name- they will get what they deserve in the end, then will call it unjustice as usual and say that the whole world is against us! Their elders should keep an eye on the trouble makers in their communities, otherwise we will also have to take action just as the Christians in the UK had to do, to put them back in their place.

We all know why they target weak minded innocent girls.. . . .its to convert them and get to heaven.

I heard a muslim (Paki) boy recently tell me how they are deliberatly targeting White women and using what he thought was just tactics.
I had to reply that he is a fanatic, with a typical evil non tolerant islamic (pakistani) heart!

I think that whole world has just had enough of them to be honest!

Anonymous said...

you kno wa lemme say a lickle sutin sutin ye, im sikh... im 20, and lemme tell u when i wa 17 i wa in to sikhi hardcore, and bha ji hu wrote this comment... and all the other sikhs i gained a load of experience, i would go gurdwara 4 times a week raining, snowin whateva i would walk there (3mile) by myself to go do seva, and you know all i could see is apney talkin about each other, and you know who i blame for children not knowing anything there parents, all these sikhs do is fukin wanna earn money not preach there children and they see it as they looking after there children with money "my child needs they get" coz we got the dollar, BUT you know where muslims are strong ages 6/7 i dunno thats how old they look they got qurans in there hands going to the mosque after skool, they know whats what, I AINT STEREOTYPICAL im the most neutral person ull find, this is how i see it muslim sons/daughters they on lock they know if they step outa line they got allah to answer too, sikh boys and girls mummy daddy i want this "leh puttar kush reh", when those children hit there teens mum dad wanna go bar for sum1s bday "putt ill drop you off heres some money" I MEAN WHAT THE FUK are these sikh people gettin dum or summa IM SIKH i know whats written... YES it says respect all but it also in rehras says ANEK KAHEY MATH EK NA MANYO SINMRAT SASTR BHED SABEY BHAU BHED KAHEY HUM EK NA JANYO... you should only know your simran and theres only one name to remember... SIKHS man our guru did too much for us the guru sacrificed his sons for you (his children) THATS A FUKIN BIG THING DONT YOU SEE would you sacrifice your sister brother mother daughter fukin son... NO! and for what people of the future... your guru our father did... how could you go against his word and go to the gurdwara your tru home and act like everythin cool?? what you gonna say to him when you see him? hey as a child ive had so many thoughts run thru my head questions loads of them but our "gursikhs" aint got time this paji like me... he spent his time writin an essay which theres abuse comments there for it... i got the same when i tried, but you know wa to all the sikh man out there treat your gyal right man she the future of us you came from a woman and a woman will make another you respect her man gyaldem arent all easy to get along with, with there fukin easy goin ass hole of families that aint got time to teach them there routes but you know what this world dont work with force temper or hate it works with love, you show her love and she'll show you love bak you get me, i seen many things like wa the aboves about, but sikh mandem juss wanna drink and flash your pops cash big whip wa you prove??? girls educate man do what ya doin your religion says you equal to mandem do wa you wanna do but dont put a dhag on ya dads pagh man and i aint only talkin about the man sat at home, im talkin about the man hu sacrificed his everythin for you... we kafir to muslims non believer, mandem that wont go heaven... hey like i said before i got love for everyone man aint hate there for no1 take the good bits look how at tender ages muslim man are at the mosque, sikhs do the same man... learn about what you fukin are, you aint fukin drinkers like you think your routes hold its deeper than that, kaur means princess and you are, you gyal are daddys princesses and ONLY to your daddy dont let tha man down man... and to all the man converting, if you converting the gyal good luck but think about what kinda gyal you convertin and what her children gna be like if she dint listen to her religion she holds the genes of her mother thats to all you narrow minded peoples out there PEACE BIG UP SIKH, MUSLIM AND HINDUS or which eva religion you are NUFF LOVE

Anonymous said...

m from malaysia, and m pakistani.. i hang out with punjabi and pakistani boys and girls all my life ..in malaysia we live as one..we dunt fight and say pakistanis are better o punjabis are better.. we loook alike and the only difference between us is religion. why make it a reason to fight? abt converting, dunt hurt ur parents.. stay with ur religion because its fate..i love all punjabis and pakistanis.

Anonymous said...

m from malaysia, and m pakistani.. i hang out with punjabi and pakistani boys and girls all my life ..in malaysia we live as one..we dunt fight and say pakistanis are better o punjabis are better.. we loook alike and the only difference between us is religion. why make it a reason to fight? abt converting, dunt hurt ur parents.. stay with ur religion because its fate..i love all punjabis and pakistanis.

Anonymous said...

m from malaysia, and m pakistani.. i hang out with punjabi and pakistani boys and girls all my life ..in malaysia we live as one..we dunt fight and say pakistanis are better o punjabis are better.. we loook alike and the only difference between us is religion. why make it a reason to fight? abt converting, dunt hurt ur parents.. stay with ur religion because its fate..i love all punjabis and pakistanis.

Anonymous said...

Can I just say that this issue has got nothing to do with Pakistani/Indian or Muslim/Sikh etc. If the boys are using girls then this is wrong. No one's religion condones this, and you know this. If the girls are having relationships with guys of any religion before marriage then they are not being trapped, they have their own brain. Its not a case of someone allowing this, it's the girls themselves. Stop being so stupid and trying to create a religious divide or hatred. If you dont like someone then stay away from them. Stop wasting your time and do something useful with your life!

Anonymous said...

Im a pakistani Punjabi Jatt, and let me tell you that if you call us behn chod then I will chod ur behn! Peace to everyone else! And get real guys. Most guys wanna sleep with girls, doesnt matter who they are, black, white, hindu, sikh or muslim. In fact Muslims are not allowed to have sex before marriage, so if any Muslim guy does then he is totally wrong according to his religion. So stop trying to spread religious hatred. Live and let live. otherwise FUCK OFF!

Anonymous said...

I am a Sikh girl, and a lot of my friends that are sikh are dating muslim boys. My personal view on this is that everyone is responsible for their own actions,I believe in living your life to the fullest and having fun and date whoever BUT keep your religion as your first priority.Yea there are muslim boys who only want "sex" from these naive punjabi girls but one must not forget that those girls arent stupid&they have a say in this its their choice..they should think about the consequences before they decide to do something.Also, its just not muslim boys but MANY MANY SIKH guys out there that do the same infact maybe worse. If our sikh men can't respect sikh women then why do we expect the muslim or any other race to respect sikh girls? Also, to all the GIRLS OUT THERE if a guy truely loves you he will never ask you to have SEX with him. Instead he would wait and that should tell you how much your man respects you.

Anonymous said...

I came across your article through a google search, found it quite interesting. As a Muslim guy, I feel quite disgusted that Muslim boys are treating Sikh women is such a manner. These Muslim boys are not religious and nor are the Sikh girls who have relationships with them. Therefore, I don't think we can let them represent any religion. Their parents may be religious and disgraced by their actions but they are not believers of any faith. I honestly don't think there are any Muslim groups that deliberately aim to convert women into Islam, it is a flawed concept as described - it would never work. Anyway, respect to all communities. Nobody should be mistreated especially a woman. Also, these youngsters need to have some respect for their parents. You pick on Bollywood in your article but films are only for entertainment thought they have a massive influence on the youth.

Anonymous said...

what a fuckin stupid blog,,one cheap vella had a time was gettin bored so he wrote all this crap..and he thinks people are stupid enuf to bleve him..

i mean come on mann,,,girls are'nt stupid enuf that she gives in that easily..especially indian/paki/punjabi wateva are'nt ..we guys are much more closer to our culture than whites n stuff....

If a person(guy or a girl) is of loose character then it does'nt have anything to do with his religion.

Anonymous said...

This is true. A Muslim can do that
Because, we girls are sick and we let them do to us as for freedom
What is freedom if our parents are not so hard on the kids I do not thing any kids would do that.
other hands, some parents are so nice to there childrens but children still do that on there back. so it's our owwn mistake if we let the Muslim do that to us.
Please Sikh Girls do not fall in to there trap please take care
Thank you

Anonymous said...

I have seen all the Gurudwara's
All the Excutive members wasts there POWER. they do not care what you want all they want is JAT Power
Jat think they are Powerfull than Guru Nanak
I have seen some Jat Power hungry memebers, if some one other cast the Police in to the Gurudwara, they go NUTS, why police is there
but if they want to show there power they will call the Police to show Sangat they can do any thing.
How many our kids will go to the Gurudwara's honest reply...........
Jat they should be kicked out from the cumminity

Anonymous said...

have seen all the Gurudwara's
All the Excutive members wasts there POWER. they do not care what you want all they want is JAT Power
Jat think they are Powerfull than Guru Nanak
I have seen some Jat Power hungry memebers, if some one other cast call the Police in to the Gurudwara, they go NUTS,I mean Jat go NUTS why police is there
but if they want to show there power they will call the Police to show Sangat they can do any thing.
How many our kids will go to the Gurudwara's honest reply...........
Jat they should be kicked out from the cumminity

Anonymous said...

All Jat Cast should leave other Cast people alone please let us live in Peace go to your home land in India that is th eplace in farms you are belongs too so let us be religous JAT GO back

Anonymous said...

I do think this is a problem. Finding a blame is easy but finding the root of the problem is difficult. It is the boys and girls responsibility to decide whether they want to get in a relationship. No 1 can force some 1 to do something,its there choice. To sort this problem out, girls should be educated not to get into a interfaith relationship. This is a easy preventable measure which sorts out everthing and no other faith gets the blame. SO GIRLS AND BOYS THINK BEFORE YOU GET TIED UP IN A RELATIONSHIP!!!!

Anonymous said...

I bet no one here has seen this link http://www.faithfreedom.org/Testimonials/AhmedShalakamy50521.htm
These are confessions from a muslim apostate who admitted he raped many christian girls before he had change of heart. By the way I am also christian. I can understand what Sikh s are going through.

Anonymous said...

www.faithfreedom.org/Testimonials/AhmedShalakam

Ibraar said...

Let me get a few things straight.
There are more than two types of Musalman male, shock to some, but there are millions, as every one is an individual.

And as for classing 'Panjabi' to mean 'Sikh' - bollocks. Panjab is a region, which, whether you like it or not, lies on both sides of the frontier.
I am a Panjabi, and proud of my language tradition and culture, but am a Musalman and not a Sikh. Just go to www.apnaorg.com and you'll see that most Panjabi culture comprises of Musalman literature and music and art - which are accepted by BOTH religious groups as inherently theirs, as religion per se does NOT play a part in determining whether Sikh or Musalman religion should dominate what is or what is not Panjabi.

I agree that many Musalman guys, especially the more introverted kind 'up north', are very insecure and prejudiced, but please do not class all Musalman Panjabis as scum. And I agree that attitudes need to be changed.
Also religious Wahabi Salafi Saudi inspired islamic fundamentalism needs to be crushed, it is ALIEN to the Sub-Continent and Alien to the Panjab - and thus Alien to Musalman living in Britain who reject their Panjabi culture and lineage and history and instead arse lick Arabs as if they're superior.

What we need is positive progressive dialogue and a sharing of values and things we have in common.

We can all start by going to www.apnaorg.com and seeing for ourselves the wealth we have in common. We can also visit http://www.flickr.com/photos/kamisyed to check out his photos of Panja Sahib in Pakistan and how Sikhs manage to mingle with paksitanis pretty well!

Blogs such as this are in their own way spreading hatred bigotry and division, and it all points to a major blame cultural trend in both communities - "Muslims did things and that and blah blah marry sisters cousins cut dicks blah" or the other side is usually "sikhs x y and z blah blah"
You both make me sick!

Ibraar said...

As for relationships between Musalman and Sikh, it's hypocritical.
Sikh girls, in my opinion do not have to 'convert', and can do as they were when 'going out'. As it was looks, personality that was the attracting factor in the first place, so why change it?
Also, to ask a girl to 'convert' is hypocritical bollocks, as if religion was so important to either party, what were they doing dating persons of the opposite sex in the first place?
Religion is either important or it isn't. I
If it IS important, the solution is simple, don't date girls/guys, listen to your parents, and get married to who they ask you to.
If it isn't, then why bother with the conversion shit? to make your folks happy? if making your folks happy was important in the first place, then why the fuck didn't you follow the former suggestion I have stated a few lines above?
And what makes Musalman guys think that what their parents think is more important than what the Sikhs parents think or feel?
What makes them think their religion is more sacred than some one elses? If it is, DON'T DATE! LISTEN TO YOUR FOLKS!
If you're the liberal kind, then fuck it, marry who you wish, and leave them as they are - as then the most important things are getting along and doing things acceptable to the other party. ie. if I was moderately religious, yet fell in love with a Sikh girl, I wouldn't expect her to convert, any more than expecting me to convert to Sikhism, however from the outset, in the going out phase I would make it plain that certain things I find unacceptable, such as eating pork, which because I've been raised that way i have been made to believe that that animal is unclean - therefore my partner eating pork is comparable to my partner eating shit. Simple, and any such matters would and should be resolved prior to any marriage.
Also, if a Musalman Nikkah marriage ceremony is a must (to keep folks happy or if your a believer marriages must be sanctified by God) than as long as your Sikh partner, whether s/he's religious or not shopuld have NO qualms about accepting that God is one and Mohammed is a prophet - seeing as Guru nanak believed as much, why the problem? accepting this idea of monotheism and prophethood does not mean youve shattered any of your belief in Sikhism, it doesn't contravene ANY of your sikh beliefs, nor does it mean youre now going to be forced to accept and become part of dogmatic organised Muslim religion, what it does is ADD to your faith - AND it works both ways, why wouldn't a Musalman be able to accept parts of the Sikh faith whi do not contravene his core belief into his own? Theres always going to be a distinction between Islam and Sikhism in its most dogmatic and organised sense, but if youre going to go out with a girl from a different religion and are liberal in your views anyway, why the issues?

Anonymous said...

just shut up all you nigga wannabees...who gives a damn if muslims shaggin sikhs or sikhs shaggin donkeys!!! so what, live and let live....We each have 2 ansa 2 god when we die so if imran is screwin harvinder let him...none of ure business (unless its yo sista lol)....Just kiddin but look we are livin in England and so inter-racial relations was bound 2 happen and Im afraid will increase morew and more over genrations...if u dont like it...FUCK off back to jullundar or whereva u came from!!!!

Anonymous said...

I am an indian Sikh and I believe that punjabis sikhs muslims hindus pathans siraikis bangladeshi or for that matter srilankans chinese thai......... everybody leaves his country.. .doesn't want to do anything for it.......and fuck the happiness of the people in the west......... bloody all expect their religion or race to rule the place where they actually don't belong....... just imagine if your house is stormed by all black yellow grey white brown red people...... so all you NRIs NRPs NRBs and NR WHATSOVERs go back to your own country rather than making hell out of ur lives and the lives of the natives............. hai himmat toh apne apne mulk wapas jao..........

Anonymous said...

Inter-religion relationships/marriages are getting common now even in places like West Yorkshire (One of the UK's Pakistani/Mirpuri heartland), where I knew of a couple of incidents a Indian guy marrying a pakistani/mirpuri girl. Bottom line is inter-faith marriages are on the increase in all religions/across both sexes.

Anonymous said...

I am Amritdhari, and I eat Jhatka MEAT!

An Amritdhari can EAT JHATKA MEAT! The Akal Takht has ruled on this and this is the law for Sikhs. I do not take wine, or drugs, or smoke.

Anonymous said...

I know alot muslim girls go for SIkh men because we treat them like how women should, now many muslims girls have converted as well.

Anonymous said...

i am muslim pakistani and working in dubai i don't know why without any eefort many non muslim girls even married woman try for me specialy sikh women and girls , finally iahve relation with a sikh girl even her mother know about this but she don't have any problem even if she converts.

Anonymous said...

i am a fair skinned paki guy who resembles a bollywood star
many sikh and indian women would fancy me then all their mates would come out with the same bollocks you are face it
pakis have game
better features
were not hairy and over masculine
we enjoy eating pussy
when we fuck our cocks arnt too big or fat
were delicate and easy on the eye
forbidden fruit
i mean all our paki girls have black or mixed rac e boys coz they want a bigger lan so we must compensate by taking indian ans sikh girls.
I went out with best looking desi girl in uni who was a sikh we'd make love for hours
she knew it would never get beyond this and tis was a great pain for both of us

Anonymous said...

muslims are a disgrace to humanity, if we look into the past history these morons are evil as crap, i seen many christians peeing on Qu'ran and throwing it in toilet. And this is what it deserves, they are pure evil, and this is the ONLY religion where it's ppl try to force others to convert, shameless bastards, increasing but defaming also at same speed. Keep breeding you silly retarded sperms

Anonymous said...

someone wrote that ppl who mary inside there family are grows...nd the prophet said not too...thus arabs look at pakistanis with disappointment.....load of fuckin crap....u guys dont even know pakistanis...hindus and sikhs are ppl who disgrace the humanity....there women get burned alive and burried aliv e...thus they come to pakistani men....the most filthy minds of youth are of sikhs...they want to have relationships with different women just for sex.....teri phen nu lun...phudi phen vich vurr....fucking scumbags thinks that something is wrong with us....send ur women outside half nakid and this is wut will happen....one guy writes abt islam...long article..full of fucking bullshit...not a single word is the truth....u fuckers actually think ppl will listen to u...god dmn these sikhs and hindus with such horrible thoughts...

Anonymous said...

someone wrote that ppl who mary inside there family are grows...nd the prophet said not too...thus arabs look at pakistanis with disappointment.....load of fuckin crap....u guys dont even know pakistanis...hindus and sikhs are ppl who disgrace the humanity....there women get burned alive and burried aliv e...thus they come to pakistani men....the most filthy minds of youth are of sikhs...they want to have relationships with different women just for sex.....teri phen nu lun...phudi phen vich vurr....fucking scumbags thinks that something is wrong with us....send ur women outside half nakid and this is wut will happen....one guy writes abt islam...long article..full of fucking bullshit...not a single word is the truth....u fuckers actually think ppl will listen to u...god dmn these sikhs and hindus with such horrible thoughts...

Anonymous said...

someone wrote that ppl who mary inside there family are grows...nd the prophet said not too...thus arabs look at pakistanis with disappointment.....load of fuckin crap....u guys dont even know pakistanis...hindus and sikhs are ppl who disgrace the humanity....there women get burned alive and burried aliv e...thus they come to pakistani men....the most filthy minds of youth are of sikhs...they want to have relationships with different women just for sex.....teri phen nu lun...phudi phen vich vurr....fucking scumbags thinks that something is wrong with us....send ur women outside half nakid and this is wut will happen....one guy writes abt islam...long article..full of fucking bullshit...not a single word is the truth....u fuckers actually think ppl will listen to u...god dmn these sikhs and hindus with such horrible thoughts...

Anonymous said...

fuck you nigggggggggggggaaaaaaaaaaaassssssssssssssss

Anonymous said...

Yeah I've noticed that some Muslim guys do this, but I think Sikh Punjabi guys are even worse. They go after white girls and spanish girls too. Pretty much any type of girl except black. I know some Sikh guys who married white girls just to get citizenship. After they fuck them and get their papers, they divorce them and marry a nice Sikh girl. Main difference is that Sikh guys don't try to convert the girl, whereas some Muslim guys do. Don't just blame the girls. Guys are just as stupid!

dogboy said...

look you sikhs are fucking ugly thats why your girls prefer us
pathetic jaggas
this bullshit is just another one of your cockblocking tactics

Anonymous said...

I am a Muslim Bengali married to a a Punjabi girl whose parents follow the Sikh faith. My wife knows little about her religion apart from village-type stories told to her by her Jat caste parents of very basic education (99% of Sikhs in UK come from very similar remote places in Punjab. She used to think Jats were some "high caste" Brahmins! I had to educate her that Jats are the lowest type of Hindu just before the Untouchables.

The point I am trying to get to is this: we all have an opportunity to grow into good human-beings or remain in the muck of fundamentalism Islam or illiterate Khalistan.

My wife is a good person. Her parents know I will never allow her to hate her Sikh origins. My wife takes Bangla New Year, Eids and other Bangla festivals very seriously. She is learning Bangla. All I can say is that she is more Bengali than me. I know the crazy bigots won't believe me when I say that I had nothing to do with her choice of culture. I'm just proud of her and I don't care about her class, caste, or culture.

Anonymous said...

I am a Muslim Bengali married to a a Punjabi girl whose parents follow the Sikh faith. My wife knows little about her religion apart from village-type stories told to her by her Jat caste parents of very basic education (99% of Sikhs in UK come from very similar remote places in Punjab. She used to think Jats were some "high caste" Brahmins! I had to educate her that Jats are the lowest type of Hindu just before the Untouchables.

The point I am trying to get to is this: we all have an opportunity to grow into good human-beings or remain in the muck of fundamentalism Islam or illiterate Khalistan.

My wife is a good person. Her parents know I will never allow her to hate her Sikh origins. My wife takes Bangla New Year, Eids and other Bangla festivals very seriously. She is learning Bangla. All I can say is that she is more Bengali than me. I know the crazy bigots won't believe me when I say that I had nothing to do with her choice of culture. I'm just proud of her and I don't care about her class, caste, or culture.

IMRAN

PS: We are preparing for our third visit to Bangladesh and Malaysia.

Anonymous said...

correction:

I am a Muslim Bengali married to a a Punjabi girl whose parents follow the Sikh faith. My wife knows little about her religion apart from village-type stories told to her by her Jat caste parents of very basic education (99% of Sikhs in UK come from very similar background from remote places in Indian Punjab. She used to think Jats were some "high caste" Brahmins! I had to educate her that Jats are Sudra, the lowest type of Hindu just above the Untouchables- if you can ever believe such inhuman trash.

The point I am trying to get to is this: we all have an opportunity to grow into good human-beings or remain in the muck of fundamentalism Islam or illiterate Sikh Khalistan.

My wife is a good person. Her parents know I will never allow her to hate her Sikh Punjabi origins. My wife takes Bangla New Year, our Eids and other Bangla festivals very seriously. She is learning Bangla. All I can say is that she is more Bengali than me.

I know the crazy bigots amongst Sikh immigrants in blessed England won't believe me when I say that I had nothing to do with her choice of culture. I'm just proud of her and I don't care about her class, caste, or culture.

IMRAN

PS: My family are preparing for our third trip to Bangladesh, Qatar and Malaysia. Please wish us well. Thank you.

Anonymous said...

I am sikh guy and dated a few pakistani and muslim girls. I think our children date each other because we ask them not to date each other. I always have been respectful to all girls and we both enjoyed having sex with each other. Now, I married to Sikh girl and love her very much. I will teach my kids to learn about their religion and decide for themselves. Sikh guys are respectful and hot so muslim girls love them.

BTW...bangladesi babu IMRAN...you wife doesn't sound like the smartest cookie that she went for a biggot like you. If her parents were not highly educated, she didn't do any better, did she? Going with a Bangladeshi person as a punjabi sikh or muslim probably the lowest thing :)

Anonymous said...

hahahha
At the above comment please don't kid yourself, your women don't prefer you hairy sikhs cuz youre ugly as fuck. The existence of this article proves how widespread it is for sikh women to marry other types of men so that's just too bad for you and your fake-ass religion.

If anything a Bangladeshi like Imran or anyone else for that matter marrying a Sikh is just disgraceful, cuz if she's indian sikh chances are she's dark-skinned and hairy as fuck. So sry buddy but going with a sikh as a bangladeshi or other muslim is definitely the lowest thing :)

Anonymous said...

I am a Sikh girl and my boyfrnd is a Muslim, we both are punjabi though. We love each other a lot n r even serious about marriage but after we both get responible enough. But the only thing that strikes my mind is will he marry me even though I don't accept Islam!!!! I don't want to convert and lose my identity. I love him n love him without conditions, so I think if it's two different people, they should love n marry each other instead of marrying a religion.
Instead of emphasizing on religion, one should lay more emphasis on love, respect, care and humanity.
God bless everybody.

Anonymous said...

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Anonymous said...

I am a muslim girl who is in love with a black man and recently left home because i got pregnant. my community will not accept my boyfriend because of his colour and i just have to accept this and make my own decisions.

I advise all girls to make their own minds up.

Anonymous said...

I'm a tri-sexual Martian who likes to do girls up the janus, I also love eating snatch and a nosh while watching the dust clouds at Olympus Mons is something to behold!
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On a serious note, I think Muslims and Sikhs are both retards, their religions are quite similar.

Ibbs said...

To the Sikh girl who is in love with the Muslim fella.
Good on you! As long as you manage to compromise, share in each others festivals, and stay away from things which'll offend the others innermost faith - then all's good!

Sikhs and Musalman are quite similar anyway, both are Monotheists and share so much culture, tradition and language!

You have Sikhs such as Hans Raj Hans as professed Sufi's! Sikhs such as Gurdas Man and Jagmohan Kaur singing Sufiana Kalaam and reciting the names of God and the prophet! - And Sikhs which believe in The Prophet - without being "Muslims" in the Dogmatic sense of the way!
And I'm sure many Muslims exist which are of the same sort!
One can be a Sikh AND a Muslim, and vice versa - so as long as you two cooperate, all's good!

Problems only arose with the Mughals, and these were POLITICAL problems!
Lately problems arise as many Muslims turn towards Wahabism and such dogmatic crap, and many Sikhs turn towards an anti-Muslim stance - both negative stances here are a load of bollocks!

When I say share in traditions, each can celebrate festivals, and when I say stay away from things which may cause offence - The Mussie should cease to eat Beef, and the Sikh Pork! Simple!

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Anonymous said...

ive sat and read all these comments and visited http://www.faithfreedom.org/Testimonials/AhmedShalakamy50521.htm
as someone suggested

im a muslim lebanese girl.i have a few things to say...
1) sex b4 marriage is not allowed. period...no arguing no discussion...hence whoever does so is not muslim...repentance is a different story altogether..and only God can judge its sencerity and accept it or not

2) rape is illegal...and whoever rapes in islam shuld b wipped till death...and yes this doesnt happen anymore in most parts of the world...but then again as muslims we know tht the punishment of the earth is far simpler than wen we meet our creator

3) girls whatever religion culture race or background should respect herself and her body...before she blames a muslim (or a so called muslim man)

4) respect all religions...ive read all the books including the sikh's one..and trust me the basic fundamentals coexist...even with atheists and humanists...put simply..all religion aims to guide us humanely and respect one another..each religion preaches good from bad...

5) if ur post is true..and i'm not doubting it..the fault lies on both sides...in this case..the boy was neevr muslim..born into a muslim family btu doesnt practise..the sikh girl the same..cnt be labelled sikh as i know one of the 5Ks is to protect the girl from lust...tru or not? both are mistaken in startn a relationship...and both are wrong in getin sexually invloved

6) in regards to the website whose link is above...seriously any muslim can see a hundred faults in that..let me clear ur heads..preachin islam is asked from us...forcing islam is forbidden...and dont listen to any1 tht tells u else wise...ppl these days and in past use quranic verses out ofcontext...so it suits their definition..."gain an acre in heaven" for every person who converts..lol..some silly thought..as if God will grant u paradise let alone an acre if u have physically or even emotionally hurt another being even if nt muslim.

7) were all human...and all humans are vunerable to making mistakes...dont group..because i can say the same..my close friend is scarfed...and a sikhi man gott involved wif her..pretended he was muslim...she stupidly trusted him..he raped her..told her parents she was involved with him...got her humiliated in front of family and friends of both sides...till this day she is psychologically affected and on antidepressants...

so please...dont group ppl...im sorry to hear ur ppl r getn hurt...but ur ppl rnt all angels..n nor is any race/culture/religion pure.

learn to respect...learn from other's mistakes...learn to not judge...n most of all learn how to give ur stories a moral..instead of this being about muslim men being evil..it shuld of been on awareness to both girls and boys to avoid being hurt..to make wise decisions in life and double and if need be triple think before they do anythin...with religion eliminated

moral of the story: be human and that is the best form of following whatever religion/non religion u practise

peace out,
Dr. R

Anonymous said...

ive sat and read all these comments and visited http://www.faithfreedom.org/Testimonials/AhmedShalakamy50521.htm
as someone suggested

im a muslim lebanese girl.i have a few things to say...
1) sex b4 marriage is not allowed. period...no arguing no discussion...hence whoever does so is not muslim...repentance is a different story altogether..and only God can judge its sencerity and accept it or not

2) rape is illegal...and whoever rapes in islam shuld b wipped till death...and yes this doesnt happen anymore in most parts of the world...but then again as muslims we know tht the punishment of the earth is far simpler than wen we meet our creator

3) girls whatever religion culture race or background should respect herself and her body...before she blames a muslim (or a so called muslim man)

4) respect all religions...ive read all the books including the sikh's one..and trust me the basic fundamentals coexist...even with atheists and humanists...put simply..all religion aims to guide us humanely and respect one another..each religion preaches good from bad...

5) if ur post is true..and i'm not doubting it..the fault lies on both sides...in this case..the boy was neevr muslim..born into a muslim family btu doesnt practise..the sikh girl the same..cnt be labelled sikh as i know one of the 5Ks is to protect the girl from lust...tru or not? both are mistaken in startn a relationship...and both are wrong in getin sexually invloved

6) in regards to the website whose link is above...seriously any muslim can see a hundred faults in that..let me clear ur heads..preachin islam is asked from us...forcing islam is forbidden...and dont listen to any1 tht tells u else wise...ppl these days and in past use quranic verses out ofcontext...so it suits their definition..."gain an acre in heaven" for every person who converts..lol..some silly thought..as if God will grant u paradise let alone an acre if u have physically or even emotionally hurt another being even if nt muslim.

7) were all human...and all humans are vunerable to making mistakes...dont group..because i can say the same..my close friend is scarfed...and a sikhi man gott involved wif her..pretended he was muslim...she stupidly trusted him..he raped her..told her parents she was involved with him...got her humiliated in front of family and friends of both sides...till this day she is psychologically affected and on antidepressants...

so please...dont group ppl...im sorry to hear ur ppl r getn hurt...but ur ppl rnt all angels..n nor is any race/culture/religion pure.

learn to respect...learn from other's mistakes...learn to not judge...n most of all learn how to give ur stories a moral..instead of this being about muslim men being evil..it shuld of been on awareness to both girls and boys to avoid being hurt..to make wise decisions in life and double and if need be triple think before they do anythin...with religion eliminated

moral of the story: be human and that is the best form of following whatever religion/non religion u practise

peace out,
Dr. R

tazz said...

Just to let you know that you come across as a very stupid, back in the day idiot!!!

Anonymous said...

The brothers and parents of Sikh Girls should take care of them.........
Sikh girls should beware of all muslim community...........
Love is nothing for muslims they many many women ...... they all need x..........Punjabi Girls should understand that .......else they will surely have to cry in blood tears ........." I pray To God Save the sikh girls give them mind to think " Help us God.

I request my bro. & sisters to make sikh Girls aware !

Anonymous said...

The brothers and parents of Sikh Girls should take care of them.........
Sikh girls should beware of all muslim community...........
Love is nothing for muslims they many many women ...... they all need x..........Punjabi Girls should understand that .......else they will surely have to cry in blood tears ........." I pray To God Save the sikh girls give them mind to think " Help us God.

I request my bro. & sisters to make sikh Girls aware !

Anonymous said...

The brothers and parents of Sikh Girls should take care of them.........
Sikh girls should beware of all muslim community...........
Love is nothing for muslims they many many women ...... they all need x..........Punjabi Girls should understand that .......else they will surely have to cry in blood tears ........." I pray To God Save the sikh girls give them mind to think " Help us God.

I request my bro. & sisters to make sikh Girls aware !

Anonymous said...

The brothers and parents of Sikh Girls should take care of them.........
Sikh girls should beware of all muslim community...........
Love is nothing for muslims they many many women ...... they all need x..........Punjabi Girls should understand that .......else they will surely have to cry in blood tears ........." I pray To God Save the sikh girls give them mind to think " Help us God.

I request my bro. & sisters to make sikh Girls aware !

Anonymous said...

I am a sikh girl that was brought up in the states. I was with a muslim guy for over 6 years and when i brought up marriage, he totally flipped and told me that he cant marry me because i am not muslim. at this point i didnt think bad about muslim guys because i had this experience with only one guy. as i got older i then got into another relationship with a muslim guy and after a year of being together he just left and took me out of his life without an explanation. both these men were paki. i agree with everything said in this blog. paki guys target girls outside their religion because they r heartless pigs.

Anonymous said...

AN EASY TO UNDERSTAND LINE:---- STICK TO YOUR OWN FAITH!!!!!!!!, WHY CANT YOU PEOPLE DO SOMETHING THAT EASY, ESPECIALLY SIKH GIRLS WHAT THE HELL WRONG WITH YOUR BRAIN,

on other side i would like to see further about newspaper article of sikh girls daily telegraph if anyone knows where i can see

Anonymous said...

AN EASY TO UNDERSTAND LINE:---- STICK TO YOUR OWN FAITH!!!!!!!!, WHY CANT YOU PEOPLE DO SOMETHING THAT EASY, ESPECIALLY SIKH GIRLS WHAT THE HELL WRONG WITH YOUR BRAIN, YOU WILL VERY RARELY IF EVER SEE ANY OTHER FAITH GAL DOING WHAT YOU DO, (MUSLIM OR EVEN HINDU)

on other side i would like to see further about newspaper article of sikh girls daily telegraph if anyone knows where i can see

Anonymous said...

Sassiri caal to all sikhs, Asslam ualiakum to all Muslims & Namastay to all Hindus out there. I came across to your article through google search. I am a young, pakistani, punjabi jatt munda. I have lived in u.k, in bradford, leeds, london, bristol and scotland for some years. I did my higher studies in England and have very sweet memories with british born asian people apart from my english friends in England. I am a Mechanical engineer now works in lahore in a multinational and single, that is my introduction.

I disagree to this article. I made so many sikh girls as friends in bradford but i did not have any sexual relationship as I respected them as my friends and knew it is wrong. I even did a complete project assignment on English literature for one of my sikh female friend who was doing her degree from Leeds university. She requested me that she is having an operation and could not work. I helped her. When she got her assignmnet she even did not thank me. I did not think that all sikh girls are bad because of single incident. My teenage handsome looks may have given me so many nice friends in u.k but I did not take any advantage of it. But it is the religion.

I think you can find good and bad people in every religion and no body has any right to talk bad against any religion on basis of some incidents.
In my view the big problem in punjabi british sikh families is that they are very strict towards their women. Some similar cases i also saw in pakistani families. But sikh girls want to have some space and a decent life partner. Which in my view difficult to find in strict sikh lifestyle. so I think it is same story in all religion people in u.k.

I welcome the response on my answer.


vickheart@gmail.com

vick

Anonymous said...

Sassiri caal to all sikhs, Asslam ualiakum to all Muslims & Namastay to all Hindus out there. I came across to your article through google search. I am a young, pakistani, punjabi jatt munda. I have lived in u.k, in bradford, leeds, london, bristol and scotland for some years. I did my higher studies in England and have very sweet memories with british born asian people apart from my english friends in England. I am a Mechanical engineer now works in lahore in a multinational and single, that is my introduction.

I disagree to this article. I made so many sikh girls as friends in bradford but i did not have any sexual relationship as I respected them as my friends and knew it is wrong. I even did a complete project assignment on English literature for one of my sikh female friend who was doing her degree from Leeds university. She requested me that she is having an operation and could not work. I helped her. When she got her assignmnet she even did not thank me. I did not think that all sikh girls are bad because of single incident. My teenage handsome looks may have given me so many nice friends in u.k but I did not take any advantage of it. But it is the religion.

I think you can find good and bad people in every religion and no body has any right to talk bad against any religion on basis of some incidents.
In my view the big problem in punjabi british sikh families is that they are very strict towards their women. Some similar cases i also saw in pakistani families. But sikh girls want to have some space and a decent life partner. Which in my view difficult to find in strict sikh lifestyle. so I think it is same story in all religion people in u.k.

I welcome the response on my answer.


vickheart@gmail.com

vick

Anonymous said...

Sassiri caal to all sikhs, Asslam ualiakum to all Muslims & Namastay to all Hindus out there. I came across to your article through google search. I am a young, pakistani, punjabi jatt munda. I have lived in u.k, in bradford, leeds, london, bristol and scotland for some years. I did my higher studies in England and have very sweet memories with british born asian people apart from my english friends in England. I am a Mechanical engineer now works in lahore in a multinational and single, that is my introduction.

I disagree to this article. I made so many sikh girls as friends in bradford but i did not have any sexual relationship as I respected them as my friends and knew it is wrong. I even did a complete project assignment on English literature for one of my sikh female friend who was doing her degree from Leeds university. She requested me that she is having an operation and could not work. I helped her. When she got her assignmnet she even did not thank me. I did not think that all sikh girls are bad because of single incident. My teenage handsome looks may have given me so many nice friends in u.k but I did not take any advantage of it. But it is the religion.

I think you can find good and bad people in every religion and no body has any right to talk bad against any religion on basis of some incidents.
In my view the big problem in punjabi british sikh families is that they are very strict towards their women. Some similar cases i also saw in pakistani families. But sikh girls want to have some space and a decent life partner. Which in my view difficult to find in strict sikh lifestyle. so I think it is same story in all religion people in u.k.

I welcome the response on my answer.


vickheart@gmail.com

vick

Anonymous said...

Sassiri caal to all sikhs, Asslam ualiakum to all Muslims & Namastay to all Hindus out there. I came across to your article through google search. I am a young, pakistani, punjabi jatt munda. I have lived in u.k, in bradford, leeds, london, bristol and scotland for some years. I did my higher studies in England and have very sweet memories with british born asian people apart from my english friends in England. I am a Mechanical engineer now works in lahore in a multinational and single, that is my introduction.

I disagree to this article. I made so many sikh girls as friends in bradford but i did not have any sexual relationship as I respected them as my friends and knew it is wrong. I even did a complete project assignment on English literature for one of my sikh female friend who was doing her degree from Leeds university. She requested me that she is having an operation and could not work. I helped her. When she got her assignmnet she even did not thank me. I did not think that all sikh girls are bad because of single incident. My teenage handsome looks may have given me so many nice friends in u.k but I did not take any advantage of it. But it is the religion.

I think you can find good and bad people in every religion and no body has any right to talk bad against any religion on basis of some incidents.
In my view the big problem in punjabi british sikh families is that they are very strict towards their women. Some similar cases i also saw in pakistani families. But sikh girls want to have some space and a decent life partner. Which in my view difficult to find in strict sikh lifestyle. so I think it is same story in all religion people in u.k.

I welcome the response on my answer.


vickheart@gmail.com

vick

Anonymous said...

Hi I am Indian Sikh girl doing postgrd in Medicine.well hvng read few of the comments over here I m surprised bout the thought process of sm people living in a multicultural scoiety. I beleive any relegion which truns you into a fanatic is a shame. Any kind of relegious rigidity is bad for the scoiety and for the person himself. I am a sikh girl and i m sooo proud of it. I am modern, intelligent independent and I think i m wise enuf to take my own decisions and the credit ges to my parents who brought me up with a liberal attitude and taught me to respect all relegions. Having said that, I still think no matter how much I love a person or the other person claims to love me I would Nver ever even think about converting to any other relegion. Cz U cant follow a certain faith aftr following one relegion for atlest 10-20 yrs. U r just kidding urself and most importantly if smone loves you they would appreciate u practicing ur faith and instilling ur faith in the kids. Anywz converting to another relegion wnt change me as a person wd it ?? I jst cant understnd hw can people do dat. If you are not proud of wat you are, the others wont treat you rite either. Dnt change for others cz mayb u r too naive to see their agenda behind the whole charade

Anonymous said...

Hi all
I know so many muslim guys here and I can say that most of dem are alrite bt few times I had a really bad experience with muslim guys frm pakistan they dnt talk to me the same way as they do with my muslim friend. its jst soo surprising and funny. They are soo bloody fake in front of her jst cz she is muslim and I am not bt I should say all of them are not like dat I think it also depends on ur up bringing sm muslim guys frm india are really well mannered though !!But the point i m trying to make is that all women deserve to be ttreated with respected just becz someone is muslim and u r a muslim guy u shudnt treat her like a fairy or angel while u talk rubbish bout other girls cz i m sure thats not wat allah wd want u to do!

Anonymous said...

Mr Bangla Ur such a moron ur comment tells exeactly hw u feel for ur wife telling her that jat caaste is lowest in hinduism well U do really make her feel appreciated.Wow wt a nicehumble bengali muslim u r and u truly love ur wife!! Go burn urself alive u r such a shameless twat !!

Anonymous said...

sikh girls are more "woman" than stupid skinny pak or hindu girls. nice curves n that.
im hindu and i've only ever been with sikh women.

Anonymous said...

I feel sorry for all Muslims they are treated as third class citizens in india majority of them live in the slums in mumbai..they have real role models except for bin laden and other extremists in the media so what do you expect from these people....if there role models are doing this you except some muslims to do this too....its a real shame i do feel sorry for them no one like the muslim extremists.....i dont know when the world would see muslims change there views on women....I HOPE THEY CAN GET IT THROUGH THERE HEAD THAT EVERYONE SHOULD BE TREATED EQUAL....man or women....I feel really sorry for the guys seems like they havent got an efficient brain that works properly if they going to treat girls like shit even there own muslim girls they treat like dogs....feel soo sorry for muslims. Im a white christian and thankfully do not view women as objects.

Anonymous said...

I feel sorry for all Muslims they are treated as third class citizens in india majority of them live in the slums in mumbai..they havent got any real role models except for bin laden and other extremists in the media so what do you expect from these people....if there so called role models are doing this you except some muslims to do this too..its dumb but true and fact as we have seen throughout all those attacks on different countries pepitrated by Muslim extremists..its a real shame i do feel sorry for them no one like the muslim extremists.....i dont know when the world would see muslims change there views on women....I HOPE THEY CAN GET IT THROUGH THERE HEAD THAT EVERYONE SHOULD BE TREATED EQUAL....man or women....I feel really sorry for the guys seems like they havent got an efficient brain that works properly if they going to treat girls like shit even there own muslim girls they treat like dogs....feel soo sorry for muslims. Im a white christian and thankfully do not view women as objects.

Anonymous said...

this is all bull shit to make muslim people bad . in fact the true things is that all sikh people hate muslims in india they are the ones who are Hippocrat religious mad the ones I have met in south hall .. they think that muslims should not be in this world why dont they study there religion and see how guru nanak did hujj in makkah and study and see where does sikhism comes from

Anonymous said...

cant we sikhs and muslims just live in peace?
alot is 2b learned from the older generation who came over in the 60's and lived happily side by side
LONG LIVE SIKHISM
LONG LIVE ISLAM

Honest Pakistani said...

This post's full of stupid comments only disgracing MUSLIMS and making other's look like angels.


All this propaganga against muslims is intentionally spread across the world to make them look even worst.. See all porn sites
on web.... dirty indians make porn and the NAME IT INTENTIIONALLY AS A PAKISTANI SITE...

Yes i agree with some comments that pakistanis (Including me) treat sikh, hindu and christian woments inferiorly "that's because internet is full of INDIAN (hindua dn sikh) porn.

i won't trust any sikh girl whether she may turn out to be a PLAIN WHORE.

I Don't want to marry a hooker...

Muslims girls are the most VIRGIN GIRLs in the world and thus most respectful. it's that simple!!!

Anonymous said...

this article is sooo TRUEEE!! it makes so much sense!! i am a good punjabi sikh kudi from a family who lives in Thailand but doing her postgraduate here in London.. I came across this pakistani guy from the past four months who is exceptionally fun to be around with and has high faith in the quran.. and i am very attracted to him because sometimes he has very good values and sometimes none!! I feel like there is a good person lurking behind that shadow that wants to be present?? anyway, in my attraction, all i do is hug him and be in his arms.. however, after i meet him, he doesn't call me for the next few days.. n when questioned, he says i dun have nithing to talk so i dun just wanna call.. anyhow long story cut short.. I realize now after reading this article tht maybe he only wants to have sex?

To negotiate with myself for d past 3 days.. I say to myself: I AM NAIVE, BUT STUPIDITY AINT MY CHARACTER.. i am naive to believe him wen he does nice stuff as I have only had one boyfriend before, and i am very sheltered but i do go clubbing and drink a little but never losing my conscious.. but i am not stupid as i notice subtle signs especially wen i realized his frustration was getting the best of him n he didn't want to take it slow anymore.. I didn't reply his msg for a few days now.. n met this punjabi guy friend from uni who got my frustration out and talked to me bout it.. n he said d same thing the veerji in this article mentioned.. n even my sikh guy friends from home warned me.. just be aware of muslim guys.. please.. they have a habit of destroying our gurls.. i neva believed any of them coz i like to be optimistic and believe d best in people.. however.. i thank waheguru for d punjabi friend i met here who gave me a brain n put some sense into me for days.. n came across this article that just nailed d point of understanding him i guess.. i am still confused as i like him very much and i don't know wat to do now.. anyway meinnu further risk nahi lehna.. n i take it as a learning experience n waste no time crying.. coz now finally i will use my brain power in analysing my research rather than some stupid guy.. but i really like him n wanted to prove all d guys back home wrong!! :( guess some men really just take us as a challenge, or its just this pakistani dude i came across..

THANK YOU!!

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Anonymous said...

Im a punjabi guy living in Leeds. I have had Many offers from paki/muslim girls relationship wise, but out of respect I have declined.

I cant judge any punjabi girl dating a muslim guy thats there choice. BUT personally I want a punjabi girl and I have a punjabi gf, and TRUST ME there are many beautiful punjabi girls that would prefer punjabi males. Its not some competiton, everyone is an individual. I like punjabi girls with respect for their families, and look for girls that like that, and there are plenty!

If you see a punjabi girl with a muslim guy , well good for them! She is a smart girl, if he is a bad person and she cant pick up on that out of "love" then thats her mistake let her live with it.

Also many people are blinded by the whole romantic love thing. In our culture, as lame as that may sound, that is only ONE aspect. Us punjabis have to take into account respect for our parents, family life, etc.

Anonymous said...

This is certainly a hot topic and you have lots to say.. First of all it is really awful the the name of pseudo love but once it has happened why do everyone kill her when she is alive? she is herself a victim and by using terms as "used" or "whore" we are not making the situation better. She can learn from her mistakes and in todays society I think the generation has matured enough to understand that before religion we are human beings and we need affection, love and attention. If we dont get this we get weak and easy victims. Gurbani says that from the woman great kings are born, but then why do we commit the crime of ignoring her screams for help when she really needs the support? The problem lies not only in the conversion dilemma but the acceptance dilemma. We need to see girls as more than a "pure" or "used" tag. We need to make our weakness our strength and educate on this matter and also show more acceptance towards the victims.

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Anonymous said...

this is happening a lot wtch the link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04-OmLb2gTU

its ashocking story of this type of love making a 16 year pregnent !!!

FOR ALL GIRL IN LOVE WITH AMUSLIM BOY THIS IS A MUST!

Anonymous said...

OMG i cant believe that people are still judging people based on what religion they are from. i'm a sikh girl and i treat everyone as equals. There are good and bad people in every religion but based on that you don't judge the whole religion. And also if a muslim and sikh are in true love, and they don't convert, what is so bad about that?! it makes stron ger bonds between religions. also as far as parents are concerned, they should be able to tell when a couple is truly in love. and they should then accept that relatioship

Anonymous said...

"Baba Banda Singh Bahadur became the leader of the Sikh army. He was executed by the emperor Jahandar Shah after refusing the offer of a pardon if he converted to Islam."

"The Guru Teg Bahadur was put in chains and ordered to be tortured until he would accept Islam. When he could not be persuaded to abandon his faith to save himself from persecution, he was asked to perform some miracles to prove his divinity. On his refusal, Guru Tegh Bahadur was beheaded"

Punjabi girls converting is a disgrace, these great people died for our religion.

Anonymous said...

who every made this speech back in 2006 is a genius! thats just whats happening now, muslims are targeting sikh girls, and they are just to dum to know it. they are gettin way too much freedom and muslims are just buying them and treating them out, and getting them pregnant and then to convert to islam! dirty scum

Anonymous said...

Veerji, Thank you for shedding the light.

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Anonymous said...

Thanks for realizing that Punjabis are Pakistanis too. I've met so many Sikh Indian Punjabis who seem to think they own the word Punjabi. I have a friend who keeps refering to myself as Pakistani and herself asz Punjabi instead of Indian, when I'm just as Punjabi as she is. She recently got married to a sardar from Canada and was told "Oh it's nice to see a western Punjabi Kudi marry a sardar" and I side eyed the hell out of the person. Yeah let's not forget that there are Hindu and Christian Punjabis too and that Most Punjabis and Punjabi speakers in the world are actually Muslims. People often confuse the word Sikh with Punjabi for some reason, which never happens for the other groups you wouldn't say a Gujrati Hindu was a Gujrati and a Gujrati Muslim wasn't would you?


Anyway, back to your post haha. Most guys from Bradford are actually Mirpuris and not part of the Punjabi community at all (actually they are ethnically Punjabi and belong to Punjabi castes and their culture is Punjabi. but hey ho the Gorays gave mirpur to Kashmir) if you're implying that they are Punjabi.


Honestly? It was up to the parents to teach their children about Sikhism and Sikh ways. Punjabis tend to be religious whatever their religion, yet they are the most liberal too (as is the case in Pakistan). If your child is so easily swayed and will convert just for love who says she will not do the same if she met a Hindu guy or a Christian guy? I feel like if you're converting for love you probably were never really a sikh anyway. If a so called Muslim man is doing the things in the emails, he is committing a major sin and even if they do really love these women, which I doubt they do. They should know that the person will not be a Muslim if they do not believe in Islam and have not studied/read the Quran also I might not be a Sikh, but I feel like it's incredibly disrespectful to the Sikh religion if a someone converts without knowing what it's about. I'd rather the person be a good person and be an atheist than pretend to be a Muslim/Sikh etc and do bad things.

And lets not forget a lot of Sikh Girls actually fall for Muslim men and these Muslim men fall for them too! I used to live in Glasgow and my Muslim neighbour married a Sikh Indian man who converted for her and they have a wonderfull marriage and 3 beautiful children. Also The Indian/Pakistani thing doesn't even matter since they are both Punjabi and have the save culture.


Anyway, nice ranting!

Rab Rakha.

Asiya Cheema.

Anonymous said...

Also, I think a lot of Punjabi Munday go for Sikh girls for the exact reason. The culture is the same. But it's disgusting that people are actively targeting people.

Asiya Cheema x

Anonymous said...

I will probably say that Punjabi is a state to which most of Sikh are related as punjab is place where Sikh religion origin. however people are different as in punjab or you can say Afghanistan or UK because their background life and their feelings are different if you born in UK and live for your most of your child time like 15 or 20 you probably gonna be scared of people and try to act like whites as if stand a 16 year old pure punjabi sikh and 16 year old uk sikh {(BOi)born on england or something i dont know the spelling } then you wilsee the difference. So the word punjab then we say punjabi because probably you r from punjab and you are a punjabi. and punjabi is also language you speak but some sikh boys in london they dont even know what is a punjabi word. in london as where i live those child sikh become so scared and and makes the white to bully punjabi so then i take a step and show them who is sikh and shown them punjabi power.


i am proud to be a punjabi
i will say this also some sikh girls and boys are forgetting who they are, where are they from , whats their culture.






ARSHDEEP SINGH (PUNJABI JATT)

Anonymous said...

Hello I am from India and i am belongs to Hindu family i am fully agree of this article. this is the agenda of all Muslim world such activity can be called loving jihad. they are use this agenda only in region they are not in the power can't use power. where Muslim come in the power or already in the power they are attack non Muslim specially on nonmuslim female and kidnap young girl and forced to convert in muslim and save our female use our Quran for this purpose like hijab , naqab, burka,parda & prevent to go out the home. If Muslim not agree with that why girls and women not have enough freedom in Muslim world. This is the plan muslim to increase our population in this area where Muslim not in power. they want only power covert all world to islam.destroy all other religion and culture.they are follow this plan since when the Islam evolve in world. They were simply attack other country and destroy culture and history and forced to convert to Islam and destroy temple and other religion symbol. if any guy don't want to convert to Islam they killed that person. if you don't believe on this facts just read out history of Islam you can understand all facts. for example in india Mohammed bin kasim, mohmud gajnavi,mahmud gauri,aurangjab,alaunddin ghilgi, nadir sah, sah abdali,changej khan all guy are follow this plan and mohmud jinna this person do systematic distraction of Hinduism in big part of India but present time condition are different, they can't use this plan in nonmuslim country and can't attack on country but they are follow this plan in the Muslim country. If Muslim not agree with that why in every Muslim country nonmuslim population decrease and no. of event against nonmuslim increase but in nonmuslim country for capture power they increase our population by twoway-
1. keep higher birth rate if Muslim don't agree with tell me why Muslim birth rate too much high compare to other community in every level upper level lower level in educated community

2. Loving jihad Muslim boy marry to other community girl so easily no. of this type case in so high but when the Muslim girl want marry nonmuslim they declare Islam become in danger

Sikh religion evolve for give security to Hindu from Muslim. Sikh is not religion this is a army all Sikh must have proud our self .
this time to wake up and save Sikh girl from Muslim fraud boy problem is there girl are inspire from bollywood but they don't know bollywood also become Islamic centre due to many Muslim hero involve in film industry. Sikh parent must give education about our religion and history to child . by this they avoid Muslim boy and understand fraud agenda.
I am also say something to Pakistani Panjabi jutt who proud our self they are live imaginary world because they are not real Muslim they are converted from Hindu those type of converted Hindu they can't oppose the Muslim pressure and give our self front on middle east Muslim like turke so you are the most coward and fearful person in real language you are most stupid and bastard and can't fight on the front and face to face. You can attack on the back and attack only on women. all in this not your mistake because all this in your blood and gene your ancestor are coward,fearfull person they leave our religion to save our life after they capture our women’s for fuck. so Pakistani Panjabi you can proud our self for cowardness,fearfulness, gandu darpook, makkar, kayar, gaddar quality.

I am not jutt or rajput but I am proud our self because we are fight against Muslim plan and destroy this plan never give up, and we are those people who inhibit the growth of Islam in the east country I am confidence we will destroy this plan also.

Anonymous said...

muslims loves jihad....this is not only limited to western world but in India also muslim youths are targetting Sikh and Hindu girls specifically.........with only intensions of having sex and converting non-moslim girls to islam....muslim guys target sikh & hindu girls in colleges..........actually we should teach our girls about wife beating, and double standards of Islam.........muslim girls cannot marry non-muslim but muslim guys can marry non-muslim girls.....what a hypocricy......does Isalm works for spiritual upliftment or it is all about fucking......man can keep four wives and what his right hand posses but WHY WOMAN CANNOT MARRY FOUR MAN AND SHE CANNOT KEEP SEX SLAVES (what right hand posses).........to all muslim guys who appear to be sweet here and elsewhere we know what islam is all about........its a political movement........bringing unbilievers on their knees and muslims can go to any measure let it be lying (taqiyya or deception)..............after you are muslims because you want to go to heaven in your afterlife.....thats all...do you have any other reason to be muslim..............well in heaven males will get 72 women (virgin not touched by jinns or anyone)...but what muslim females will get........muslim females will not get anything in islam in this life or after life......muslim females are not allowed to enter mosque, wife beating (koran 4.34),stonning, veil, no freedom..........

Anonymous said...

I am a Muslim. I read the first couple of comments, and was pretty shocked by both the sikh and muslim responses (although whose to tell that these people are actually are sikhs or muslims) anyway, you get people that deceive in all religion or groups, but do not judge a group by the actions of a minority. Don't blame just one person blame both in the relationship, it takes two to tango.

Anonymous said...

actually this is completely baseless, there may have been some isolated incidents of this happening, but i can assure you it works the same both ways.

I would like to see evidence of this organised muslim groups, as far as I am aware muslim groups generally shun freemixing.

There have been allegations and scare stories made about "love jihad" mainly in India but so far there have only been two confirmed cases of this happpening, out of a population of something like 1 billion.

This post reeks of xenophobia, it's like saying "white people are racists"...

the allegation is baseless, and just highlights your prejudice more than anything else.

Anonymous said...

first of all, you people are idiots. punjabi does not mean "not muslim" or "not pakistani". if you did not know, the most commonly spoken language in pakistan is punjabi. further, the state of punjab does not only exist in india, it also exists in pakistan. the city of lahore is arguably pakistan's most important city and it to is situated in pakistani punjab. long story short. sikhs are on the whole, pretty stupid people these days. we think that punjabi is our language and that only we are punjabis. there are 80 million muslim speakers of punjabi and only 30 million sikhs.. whose language is it? just because the guru granth sahib was written in what you may think to be punjabi doesn't make that language a sikh language. actually, the guru granth sahib is not written only in punjabi - it also contains hindi and other languages within its scriptures.

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Anonymous said...

as a pakistani punjabi muslim, i am disappointed in this article.this is based on stereotypes, not on an entire community or culture. this is really uncool.

Anonymous said...

dude you guys are all fucked.. you can't plan who you are going to fall in love with it just happens Allah brings that person in your life for a reason..Muslim guys are very friendly ppl andjust because a few of them may be not you can't just say that about all of them I myself am a punjabi girl who would love to get married to a muslim guy you can't judge ppl on their religon but on thier personality..

Falita said...

I am a muslim and Pakistani. I'm in a relationship with a sikh girl.
She is very beautiful, innocent and belongs to rich sikhs canadians.
First time I was not serious about her but when I found that she loves me by all her heart, I started to think about her.
We have a conversation of our future.
Being a muslim I can't marry a sikh girl or a hindu. So I told her if she wants to marry me, she have to convert. She immediately agreed despite of her family aggression.
Her brother threatens me about I decide that if she can do every thing for me than I will prove my love for her. I took her to Pakistan, she is now 17 yrs only and I am 23.
After two months when she will be of 18 I'm going to marry her.

I just want to say to uploader there is nothing like non-relegious-muslim people. A muslim is one who never deceives anyone. Those who do are going against Islam teachings and they should be punished.
According to an American TITLE news article the large no. women(approx 3600 p/yr) are changing their religion to ISLAM in america and canada. The main reason is why they convert just to marry pakistani muslim men. They are all not mads. they are educated and they know what they are doing.
(Blog writer) You are typing unrealistic facts without any proof just to insult Islam and Pakistanis.
I know many pakistani men have ruined the life of white and sikhs girls but majority have successful marriage with white, hindu, sikh's girls.
Bad people are found everywhere in every nation And yes i will never go to gurudwar.
Maybe ur religions have no importance for u so u think what u like u can do. BUT I can't go against my religion.
I believe in Allah, I know Islam is right and real and i will be destroy myself by leaving ISLAM.

Anonymous said...

Hi Everybody,

I am a sikh from Punjab and i feel its totally wrong blaming the whole community. Such a gesture is itself a disrespect to the teachings of our Gurus who preached that not to slander anybody. Islam is no different.
Now coming to the point, everybody has a freedom to marry anybody irrespective of caste, religion etc. However, one should always be cautious while taking important decisions of life especially marraige, keeping in mind the long term after-effects and consequences and not just living inside the bubble of love. Secondly, its our responsibility to carry forward our culture & religious values to the future generations.

No offences, but just don't waste the life on silly matters, its the only chance we have

Anonymous said...

Sikh please stick to your faith. Muslims follow your own religion. If you break any laws of your religion you are not Sikh or Muslim - stop screwing around and follow your religion 100%. I will say this once the doors of HELL are open for Sinners. For sex just use your hand until you marry!

Anonymous said...

THE TRUTH IS NOT AVAILABLE HERE..ITS BEEN BLOCKED...BECAUSE OF KARMIC REACTIONS AT PLAY,WHICH IS ABSOLUTELY EXACTING. TO SAY AGAINST ANY RELIGION HERE WOULD MAKE PEOPLE MAD,SO I WILL NOT.PITY THOUGH,ALL THESE GIRLS WOULD REALLY BE NICE TO KNOW....AND NOT EXPLOITED.THE VERY REAL TRUTH HERE IS THAT WHATEVER A GUY DOES TO A GIRL,IT WILL RETURN TO HIM FOR SURE IN ANOTHER LIFE.THIS KNOWLEDGE CANNOT BE RESEARCHED THOUGH...ITS FROM THE SPIRITUAL DIMENSION.

Anonymous said...

Respect to you, and that's how it should be but the fact is that most boys won't, and you know that's true

Anonymous said...

i think the problem is that punjabi and kashmiri pakistani guys have the chiselled, charming manly looks and these indian girls havent seen such goodlooking guys give them so much attention, they just are desperate for it to be true love. in reality these guys on the whole are just using these girls for their own experience. they will in most cases find the doe eyed muslim stunners much more appealing as they are usually much more attractive sorry but this is the reality. indian gals are not top class in terms of looks, personality and femininity.

Rana Asim Nawaz said...

This is malicious attempt to produce rift between muslim punjabis and sikh punjabis.And only jealous people do it.
I request my sikh bothers to investigate who airs such malicious propganda to guard his vested interests.
I find sikhs as friendly as my brothers,and punjabis are not a shit community to betray each other on such a large scale.Exception may be there but aisi koi baat nahin.

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